10:11 - Cecil Turtle vs. Dot Warner

[UMPIRE]

SEASON 10, ROUND 11

Cecil Turtle

Slot: The Team's cartoon character from Warner Bros. studio
Season Wins: 2
Season Losses: 0
Fantasy Team Page
Read more about Cecil Turtle at Wikipedia
Official Site: Warner Bros.

Dot Warner

Slot: The Team's cartoon character from Warner Bros. studio
Season Wins: 3
Season Losses: 0
Fantasy Team Page
Read more about Dot Warner at Wikipedia
Official Site: Warner Bros.

Battle Terrain
Cartoon Episode: Dueling Pianos

[DSkillz]

Ah, two more characters I've added here.  

Cecil is only really known for beating Bugs Bunny -- at least until The Looney Tunes Show, -- and AFAIK, is not musically inclined. 

Meanwhile, Dot is said to be able to play any musical instrument, and often uses toon tricks just about on par with Bugs himself. Along with this and Cecil only really having a track record with Bugs, she should likely take this.

[Pizzaguy2995]

Sorry Dot but frankly the Animaniacs have been winning far too many matches, so I think it’s time to break their winning streak.

Keep this in mind guys Cecil outsmarted and outwitted Bugs Bunny not once, not twice, not even thrice, but FOUR times in a row! Four times in a row he’s humiliated Bugs at his own game and trust me when I say that Bugs literally pulled every single cheap shot and dirty trick imaginable and none of it worked? Why? Because Cecil Turtle cheats. He cheats harder, better, and sooner then anybody else, the dude is always ten steps ahead his opponent no matter what the challenge is. Poor Bugsy learned that the hard way.

Before you vote please ask yourself this: what exactly can Dot do to this Turtle that Bugs hadn’t already tried and failed to do during the four times he’s faced him?

[DSkillz]

3 minutes ago, Pizzaguy2995 said:

Keep this in mind guys Cecil outsmarted and outwitted Bugs Bunny not once, not twice, not even thrice, but FOUR times in a row! Four times in a row he’s humiliated Bugs at his own game and trust me when I say that Bugs literally pulled every single cheap shot and dirty trick imaginable and none of it worked? Why? Because Cecil Turtle cheats. He cheats harder, better, and sooner then anybody else, the dude is always ten steps ahead his opponent no matter what the challenge is. Poor Bugsy learned that the hard way.

Thing is, Cecil only ever beat Bugs in races, as par the course and to match the plot of the Tortoise and the Hare story. Once he actually tried to best Bugs at something else, the Bunny finally started getting the better of him. Plus, Cecil's never shown any musical talent. 

Dot, meanwhile, has never been hindered by plot or an opponent. She's also been shown to be able to play the piano (the French version, but eh).

[Pizzaguy2995]

20 minutes ago, DSkillz said:

Thing is, Cecil only ever beat Bugs in races, as par the course and to match the plot of the Tortoise and the Hare story. Once he actually tried to best Bugs at something else, the Bunny finally started getting the better of him. Plus, Cecil's never shown any musical talent. 

Not true. When Cecil and Bugs faced off for the fourth time in 2019 Looney Tunes Cartoon, Cecil beat Bugs at a street race, multiplying, and a carrot eating contest. Look up Looney Tunes Cartoons- Shell Shocked on YouTube if you want to see for yourself.

[DSkillz]

Man, going to certain sites keep breaking my laptop's internet connection. 

12 minutes ago, Pizzaguy2995 said:

Not true. When Cecil and Bugs faced off for the fourth time in 2019 Looney Tunes Cartoon, Cecil beat Bugs at a street race, multiplying, and a carrot eating contest. Look up Looney Tunes Cartoons- Shell Shocked on YouTube if you want to see for yourself.

Ah, just watched it. Not bad, if it doesn't quite match up quality-wise with their past shorts. 

Still, he's only been known to beat Bugs, and Bugs might have evened things up in The Looney Tunes Show. Dot won't have the handicap of Tortoise beats Hare. 

[Pizzaguy2995]

9 hours ago, DSkillz said:

Man, going to certain sites keep breaking my laptop's internet connection. 

Ah, just watched it. Not bad, if it doesn't quite match up quality-wise with their past shorts. 

Still, he's only been known to beat Bugs, and Bugs might have evened things up in The Looney Tunes Show. Dot won't have the handicap of Tortoise beats Hare. 

No but she does have the handicap of being on her own here without her brothers, particularly team leader Yakko. Most of there best feats come from them as a trio, with Yakko often leading the way. I’m not saying Dot is a fool, but she’s clearly inexperienced in being a solo act. And she’s taking on not just an old pro, but one who has already been shown to regularly humiliate and beat another old pro in Bugs Bunny.

[Fox]

This is an interesting one.

Dot is a good musician in that she can play about any instrument - and that's cannon. 

Cecil, we don't know - but I fully expect him to play piano maddeningly slow which should annoy Dot to no end.

The problem for Dot is that the Warner siblings have kind of a code they abide by.  Someone has to intentionally provoke the Warner Siblings for them to pull out all the stops. And Cecil is just a turtle being a turtle.  As long as someone does not intentionally provoke the Warner's with forethought of malice, they don't respond in kind.

If Cecil can keep from appearing to be intentionally annoying, he has a shot.  But Dot is still the better musician, based on her feats.

[DSkillz]

4 hours ago, Pizzaguy2995 said:

No but she does have the handicap of being on her own here without her brothers, particularly team leader Yakko. Most of there best feats come from them as a trio, with Yakko often leading the way. I’m not saying Dot is a fool, but she’s clearly inexperienced in being a solo act. And she’s taking on not just an old pro, but one who has already been shown to regularly humiliate and beat another old pro in Bugs Bunny.

Cecil has the experience to give Dot a run for her money, sure, but at least she's never lost, IIRC, both with and without her brothers. An important factor of how Cecil beats Bugs is that Bugs is already thrown off his game by merely hearing about the Tortoise and the Hare before Cecil even shows up, something that won't likely happen to Dot.

Also, I've never seen Cecil actually play the piano. The actual number in question, Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2,  requires fast fingers, and whatever Cecil's pulled off, whether it's with machines, outside help, or what have you, he's maintained his same slow, deliberate pace.

10 minutes ago, Fox said:

The problem for Dot is that the Warner siblings have kind of a code they abide by.  Someone has to intentionally provoke the Warner Siblings for them to pull out all the stops. And Cecil is just a turtle being a turtle.  As long as someone does not intentionally provoke the Warner's with forethought of malice, they don't respond in kind.

If Cecil can keep from appearing to be intentionally annoying, he has a shot.  But Dot is still the better musician, based on her feats

In Animaniacs canon, the Warners go back to the old Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies shorts, and were locked in the WB Tower at some point during that time. That being the case, they'd be likely to at least have some knowledge of Cecil's antics and know he likes to troll his opponent. That could be Dot's motivation right there.

[Pizzaguy2995]

3 hours ago, DSkillz said:

Also, I've never seen Cecil actually play the piano. The actual number in question, Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2,  requires fast fingers, and whatever Cecil's pulled off, whether it's with machines, outside help, or what have you, he's maintained his same slow, deliberate pace.

What about that time he installed a rocket into his shell? As I previously said Cecil cheats, and he cheats like a pro. Who’s to say the guy doesn’t have a taped recording of Hungarian Rhapsody played in it’s most beautiful rhythm right under his piano? Would you really put it past him?

[DSkillz]

12 minutes ago, Pizzaguy2995 said:

What about that time he installed a rocket into his shell? As I previously said Cecil cheats, and he cheats like a pro. Who’s to say the guy doesn’t have a taped recording of Hungarian Rhapsody played in it’s most beautiful rhythm right under his piano? Would you really put it past him?

Thing about that is that at some point Dot would start noticing how beautifully Cecil is "playing" the tune and glance over her shoulder in curiosity in his direction. That's when she'd likely see that Cecil's movements aren't exactly lining up with the notes and start formulating her retaliation.

[Pizzaguy2995]

7 minutes ago, DSkillz said:

Thing about that is that at some point Dot would start noticing how beautifully Cecil is "playing" the tune and glance over her shoulder in curiosity in his direction. That's when she'd likely see that Cecil's movements aren't exactly lining up with the notes and start formulating her retaliation.

Yes but the problem is has she ever taken on a threat like Cecil by her lonesome before? What exactly could she do to him that Bugs hasn’t already tried?

[DSkillz]

20 hours ago, Pizzaguy2995 said:

Yes but the problem is has she ever taken on a threat like Cecil by her lonesome before? What exactly could she do to him that Bugs hasn’t already tried?

Dot actually has more shown toon feats on her own than Cecil, most to all of which Bugs never used on the turtle. And, as mentioned, unlike Bugs, he won't start off already being in Dot's head.

[Pizzaguy2995]

6 hours ago, DSkillz said:

Dot actually has more shown toon feats on her own than Cecil, most to all of which Bugs never used on the turtle. And, as mentioned, unlike Bugs, he won't start off already being in Dot's head.

Yeah but the problem is that Bugs can do things far beyond what Dot has been shown capable of doing “Why bugs bunny is the most significant and powerful cartoon character”. Now your right that Bugs has technically not used any of these methods against Cecil, but the fact that he could do those things against Cecil and yet by the end of “Shell Shocked” admits that the only thing he can do better then Cecil is cry indicates that those powers wouldn’t do him any good against the turtle anyways.

Also the episode Shell Shocked showed us that Cecil can duplicate himself like Multiple Man, thus he could probably replicate the first Tortoise Beats Hare episode and have his clones distract and frustrate Dot into forgetting the competition while the real Cecil wins it with his rigged piano!

[DSkillz]

Man, some of these match-ups are legit close enough that they might have to be decided by UMPIRE. Ehhh... 

3 hours ago, Pizzaguy2995 said:

Yeah but the problem is that Bugs can do things far beyond what Dot has been shown capable of doing “Why bugs bunny is the most significant and powerful cartoon character”. Now your right that Bugs has technically not used any of these methods against Cecil, but the fact that he could do those things against Cecil and yet by the end of “Shell Shocked” admits that the only thing he can do better then Cecil is cry indicates that those powers wouldn’t do him any good against the turtle anyways.

And again, none of Bugs' tricks worked against Cecil because Tortoise Beats Hare was in full effect. Tortoise Beats Hare is not Dot's story. 

3 hours ago, Pizzaguy2995 said:

Also the episode Shell Shocked showed us that Cecil can duplicate himself like Multiple Man, thus he could probably replicate the first Tortoise Beats Hare episode and have his clones distract and frustrate Dot into forgetting the competition while the real Cecil wins it with his rigged piano!

That's one way the intentional provocation could come into play, and Dot would act accordingly, and without Bugs' handicap. 

[UMPIRE]

Match Final Results

Cecil Turtle: 4
Dot Warner: 7