11:3 - Ronald Weasley vs. Isla Sorna

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SEASON 11, ROUND 3

Ronald Weasley

Slot: The Team's Comedy Sidekick
Season Wins: 0
Season Losses: 0
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Official Site: J. K. Rowling

Isla Sorna

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Official Site: Universal Pictures

Battle Terrain
Sidekick vs. Terrain

[C.T.]

Mh, hard to say. If he runs into like, a T-Rex or a Spinosaurus or something, would probably take quite a lot of stunning spells and the like to put them down. 

[Fox]

It kind of depends on where Ron is in his Hogwarts journey.  1st year Ron is a lot less competent than Ron at the end of Deathly Hallows.

I don't give him great odds against a pack of velociraptors in any case.

[RiotGear]

Ron is a combat vet. With martial training. That spent a fair amount of time on his own being hunted by Death Eaters. Who has literally taken classes in dealing with giant monsters, infact things like dragons etc are used in sporting events at Hogwarts.

He also doesn't have to stay and fight if he doesn't want to he may not be top of the class at it, but Ron can apparate. Which means if he runs into a dino he can't put down he can escape with a flick of his wrist.

He can also doesn't just have regular stunning spells. He can pull out things like the jelly legs jinx, the basically turn his targets legs into rubber or hit them the with a body binding spell.

If offensive isn't enough he also has shield charms.

That is assuming he doesn't have his broom and can just go airborne.

On the run from deadly monsters, this is an average school day for Ron.

[RakaiThwei]

Going with the environment here. The idea of Ron being eaten by dinosaurs is absolutely fucking hilarious to me.

[Twogunkid]

Ron can easily get swarmed by multiple dinos. Harry Potter Combat is rarely swarm focused. Sure Ron might kill a bunch of dinos, but if a pack shows up at once? He's out of luck.

[Mercenaryblade]

Ron's learned a lot from his older brother's particularly the dragon wrangler brother. He's got magic, and has dealt with monsters before. Let's not forget he's friends with Hagrid Mr. I like dangerous animals. 

[Peypeypeypey]

3 hours ago, Mercenaryblade said:

Ron's learned a lot from his older brother's particularly the dragon wrangler brother. He's got magic, and has dealt with monsters before. Let's not forget he's friends with Hagrid Mr. I like dangerous animals. 

Ron may have learned a lot about hunting magical creatures, but dinosaurs aren't magic, and there's a big difference between knowing tips about how to hunt something, and actually being able to do it. As far as I know, Ron has never had to successfully defend against a horde of creatures all actually hunting him to kill him. At least, I don't remember that from the movies. Hordes of people, wizard's and the like, sure, but not animals. Dinosaurs strike from cover, they are in their natural environment, and they have a massive numbers advantage. They wouldn't all necessarily be trying to kill Ron, but a lot of them would rightfully see him as easy prey. He doesn't have no chance, but I think it's pretty likely he gets picked off by a pack hunter, a pterosaur, or something big finds him. Keep in mind, as far as I am aware (and a quick google search), Ron hasn't ever used the killing curse, even if it would work on dinosaurs.  

All of that said, I'm still rather torn honestly. If a large group of dinosaurs finds Ron he's in trouble, but there's every chance they don't. Velociraptors are a problem, but there are 18 on the whole island according to the wiki, and though they're very dangerous, people will less prowess than Ron have survived them. Even kids were able to escape them for a time in the first movie. There's only 1 Spinosaurus which patrols a large section of the map, so chances of it finding him in just 24 hours are pretty slim. There are, however, 6 T Rexes, which are also big threats. His biggest threats might be the Pterodons, but again, there are only 10 of those. They would be much more likely to spot and attack him unless he stays in the jungle, but both the Velociraptors and the Spinos hunt in the jungle. Ultimately, if Ron were a strong survivalist, he could definitely win this, but as far as I know, he doesn't have much experience in this type of scenario. The environment may seem unforgiving, but it's important to remember that over just 24 hours, he's almost guaranteed not to run into most of the major groups of dinosaurs, and because he doesn't have a specific area he needs to reach like the characters in the movie, he's much more likely to be able to hunker down in one place and just survive. I think I'm leaning Ron honestly 

[RiotGear]

6 hours ago, Twogunkid said:

Ron can easily get swarmed by multiple dinos. Harry Potter Combat is rarely swarm focused. Sure Ron might kill a bunch of dinos, but if a pack shows up at once? He's out of luck.

If he feels like he's gonna get over run Ron can apparate away.

[Pizzaguy2995]

Does Ron get his broom? Cause between that and his apparition spell I don’t doubt for a second Ron can survive Isla Sorna. Eric Kirby survived on the island for eight weeks, and he didn’t have half the magical tools and spells Ron has.

[Twogunkid]

1 hour ago, Pizzaguy2995 said:

Does Ron get his broom? Cause between that and his apparition spell I don’t doubt for a second Ron can survive Isla Sorna. Eric Kirby survived on the island for eight weeks, and he didn’t have half the magical tools and spells Ron has.

I don't see how Ron apparating will work. He isn't exactly familiar with anywhere on the island and staying on it for 24 hours is part of the challenge. Flying around will definitely have him chased by Pterodons.

Ron's Cleansweep 11 can hit speeds of 70 miles an hour, but Pterodons are thought to have been cable of 80 mph.

 

Ron's going down to a swarm of dinosaurs.

[Mercenaryblade]

A muggle kid with no magic survived longer than 24 hours on Isla Sorna. I'm still backing Ron here

[Twogunkid]

11 minutes ago, Mercenaryblade said:

A muggle kid with no magic survived longer than 24 hours on Isla Sorna. I'm still backing Ron here

Right, and has been shown time and time again in the Harry Potter World. Wizards are comically inept at performing even basic tasks without magic.  He had to cheat to pass a driver's test. Ron has not shown himself to be a survivalist having freaked out in the Forbidden Forest in detention, when dealing with Aragog, and was not a wiz at the care of magical creatures.

Ron has been shown to try and do things the easy way when possible and this will backfire on him. His attempts to repair his wand, his halphazard attempts at research, he's the one who convinces Harry to send Dumbledore's Army in at the end as fighting a bunch of magical terrorists is a great activity for a bunch of 11-18 year olds. Ron has shown repeatedly to have poor judgement. He lacks wisdom and that will do him in.

 

[RiotGear]

2 hours ago, Twogunkid said:

I don't see how Ron apparating will work. He isn't exactly familiar with anywhere on the island and staying on it for 24 hours is part of the challenge. Flying around will definitely have him chased by Pterodons.

Ron's Cleansweep 11 can hit speeds of 70 miles an hour, but Pterodons are thought to have been cable of 80 mph.

 

Ron's going down to a swarm of dinosaurs.

Apparating works with locations in line of sight to so Ron can teleport to the top of a tree, behind a pack of dinos etc.

Also if he spent time even a few hours on the island before be hit by a large group he can apparate to his starting location from memory. That is assuming he doesn't just hunker down and play it safe as wondering into the big scary woods isn't exactly Ron like. 

His broom may not be as fast as pteradons, but it is way more maneuverable and even with him on a lot more slender. So he can easily go places they can't, in ways they can't.

 

[RiotGear]

1 hour ago, Twogunkid said:

Right, and has been shown time and time again in the Harry Potter World. Wizards are comically inept at performing even basic tasks without magic.  He had to cheat to pass a driver's test. Ron has not shown himself to be a survivalist having freaked out in the Forbidden Forest in detention, when dealing with Aragog, and was not a wiz at the care of magical creatures.

Ron has been shown to try and do things the easy way when possible and this will backfire on him. His attempts to repair his wand, his halphazard attempts at research, he's the one who convinces Harry to send Dumbledore's Army in at the end as fighting a bunch of magical terrorists is a great activity for a bunch of 11-18 year olds. Ron has shown repeatedly to have poor judgement. He lacks wisdom and that will do him in.

 

Well lucky for Ron he has his magic so what he can and can't do with out it, isn't exactly relevant to the conversation.

Ron doesn't like giant spiders, luckily there are no giant spider on the island.

Maybe not a wiz, but he grew up around and has had to deal with large an animals, including predators his whole life.

As for his survival skills, he survived on his own for an extended period of time during the war, including evading and defeating death eaters etc. You know thinking humans with ranged weapons, combat training, and access to tracking spells.

Ron has displayed at least a decent grasp of strategy/tactics threw his abilities in chess. As for sending in Dumbledore's Army it's what they had and frankly it worked. They turned the tide and saved the world.

[Twogunkid]

My point is wizards generally (and Purebloods specifically) are actually very bad at adapting to new situations, and an Island of Super Predators from millions of years ago is a new situation.

 

Also the Cleansweep is a broom company known for being outdated and not as good as their competitors. Ron may have the latest model but it a broom for a keeper. He is going back and forth between three goal posts. He is a goalie and does not have aerial mobility feats of his friends or his brothers.

 

Ron has not shown himself to be good with animals. Fang, Buckbeak, Fluffy, Norbert, all "animals" Ron has had to deal with and he has shown no particular knack for it.

Further, repeated apparating can cause injury and Ron himself has been victim to this in the Deathly Hallows. It is too much of an endurance fest for him to make it alone without any support. Ron will tire and will not be able to rest.

 

Weasley is our dinner.

[RiotGear]

1 hour ago, Twogunkid said:

My point is wizards generally (and Purebloods specifically) are actually very bad at adapting to new situations, and an Island of Super Predators from millions of years ago is a new situation.

 

Also the Cleansweep is a broom company known for being outdated and not as good as their competitors. Ron may have the latest model but it a broom for a keeper. He is going back and forth between three goal posts. He is a goalie and does not have aerial mobility feats of his friends or his brothers.

 

Ron has not shown himself to be good with animals. Fang, Buckbeak, Fluffy, Norbert, all "animals" Ron has had to deal with and he has shown no particular knack for it.

Further, repeated apparating can cause injury and Ron himself has been victim to this in the Deathly Hallows. It is too much of an endurance fest for him to make it alone without any support. Ron will tire and will not be able to rest.

 

Weasley is our dinner.

Ron dealt with new situation every book. Being poor means he has always had to be creative and make do, you mentioned instances of this yourself. He has had to repair his own wand and make due with an outdated broom.

Said broom while perhaps not as maneuverable as top of the line broom is still is going to out maneuver giant birds whose wing spans will get in there way if Ron stays at tree level etc.

Again he may not have the apptittude of some other other characters when it comes to animals, but he does have some training and experience. Coupled with his training and arsenal that's going to go a long way.

Between his offensive and defensive magic it not like Ron needs to spam apparate, but he's got it his back pocket if he needs it.

Ron can also use things like transfiguration etc to hide and hunker down.

It's not like Ron to go looking for a fight.

[Twogunkid]

3 minutes ago, RiotGear said:

Ron dealt with new situation every book. Being poor means he has always had to be creative and make do, you mentioned instances of this yourself. He has had to repair his own wand and make due with an outdated broom.

Said broom while perhaps not as maneuverable as top of the line broom is still is going to out maneuver giant birds whose wing spans will get in there way if Ron stays at tree level etc.

Again he may not have the apptittude of some other other characters when it comes to animals, but he does have some training and experience. Coupled with his training and arsenal that's going to go a long way.

Between his offensive and defensive magic it not like Ron needs to spam apparate, but he's got it his back pocket if he needs it.

Ron can also use things like transfiguration etc to hide and hunker down.

It's not like Ron to go looking for a fight.

Mot of those new situations are dealt with by the other two members of his trio. Ron's fear that he is the least useful of the three is justified. Ron didn't really come up with solutions. The times Ron gets to shine the most are few and far between.

Pterodons are no slouches and they do have him 10:1.

Ron has shown no particular aptitude for animals. Crookshanks and he don't get along. His owls are poorly cared for. Scabbers was literally a man so that doesn't count.

Ron unloading magic into dinos may be one thing but they almost certainly can take more than a human. Otherwise no one would be worried about Dragons in Harry Potter. Ron also has a habit of trying to punch and tackle people in fights. I do not need to explain why this is a hindrance.

Transfiguration, Ron is no animagus. Turning small objects into rabbits or birds may be a minor distraction but focusing on controlling them is a downside and only having one at a time is a hindrance as well and they won't be enough to sate a pack of raptors.

Ron also is not going to keep his head. The moment he encounters a dinosaur, he is going to complain and be rash as he moves about. 24 hours is too long for Ron to go without making some fatal error. Even if he makes it several hours, he will tire as the day and night goes on and the dino's superior senses will let them finish him off.

[RiotGear]

Ron has been playing his part from the beginning. You yourself have noted some of those instances such as helping call the shots when it came to Dumbledore's Army.

Pteradons may not be slouches, but they are longer and wider, meaning there are places they can't go, they are also hampered by the laws of aerodynamics in ways Ron is not. So he can still turn tighter and more rapidly/often because he doesn't need to worry about gravity, air flow, etc.

Also we need to stop acting like Ron is going to run into all the dinos at once or that they will create a Ron killing coalition to hunt him down.

Dragons and magical creatures also have innate magic of there own and are likely tougher then dinos.

Well punching and tackle can work on some of them. Kicking one worked for Malcom's daughter after all. Also that sounds like muggle fighting tactics, I thought you said pure bloods didn't know how to do that.

Even if some are to tough for direct combat he can throw up a smoke screen ( smoke grandes worked after all ), trap spell, Obscuro etc. To disorient them while he make his escape.

Ron may not be an animagus, but he still has spells that can switch appearances or change one object into another.

As for keeping his head. Ron survived for months on his own in a war zone while being hunted by the magic SS. A situation where he started out alone in the woods, so he is capable of the wilderness survival aspect of this challenge to.

Let's go over this once again. Ron has experience with super predators, wilderness survival, the arsenal to take down dinos, and combat training/experience.

It may not be the best day for him, but definitely one he can survive.

[Twogunkid]

Ron's brilliant idea, sending children off to fight. Tactical genius.

Ron, as has been pointed out, has not used the killing curse and the odds that his little stupefy will affect a big dinosaur is laughable.

Everytime Ron has gotten in a physical fight, he has gotten his butt handed to him. Just because he throws himself without training at a problem would not dictate muggle related skills or even combat skill. If anything it shows his poor judgement. 

Ron got to survive the war zone specifically because he lost his head. He managed to survive that far while being hunted because Hermoine planned ahead and did way more prep than he did. Ron stormed off, got lost in the woods, and got lucky to be reuinited with the rest of the crew.

Ron doesn't have experience with super predators. Name an instance where Ron handled a magical creature that wasn't a sort of humanoid like an elf, goblin, or centaur? Ron changing his appearance won't matter that much, dinosaur vision on motion and a superior sense of smell will hunt him down. Ron is ignorant of muggle science. A ballpoint pen was revolutionary to him. I really doubt he knows anything about dinosaurs.

Ron has to manage to not get ambushed even once. Dinosaurs will take him out in one swoop as he has no durability and I doubt he goes the whole day without being surprised once.

[Mercenaryblade]

7 hours ago, Twogunkid said:

Right, and has been shown time and time again in the Harry Potter World. Wizards are comically inept at performing even basic tasks without magic.  He had to cheat to pass a driver's test. Ron has not shown himself to be a survivalist having freaked out in the Forbidden Forest in detention, when dealing with Aragog, and was not a wiz at the care of magical creatures.

Ron has been shown to try and do things the easy way when possible and this will backfire on him. His attempts to repair his wand, his halphazard attempts at research, he's the one who convinces Harry to send Dumbledore's Army in at the end as fighting a bunch of magical terrorists is a great activity for a bunch of 11-18 year olds. Ron has shown repeatedly to have poor judgement. He lacks wisdom and that will do him in.

 

My point is that said kid should have been dino chow but wasn't Ron has way better chances. Also he freaked out in the forbidden forest because it had giant spiders and he's an arachnophobe. No giant spiders on isla sorna he just needs to hide in a tree like the high hide in Lost World and he's golden. 

[RiotGear]

3 hours ago, Twogunkid said:

Ron's brilliant idea, sending children off to fight. Tactical genius.

Ron, as has been pointed out, has not used the killing curse and the odds that his little stupefy will affect a big dinosaur is laughable.

Everytime Ron has gotten in a physical fight, he has gotten his butt handed to him. Just because he throws himself without training at a problem would not dictate muggle related skills or even combat skill. If anything it shows his poor judgement. 

Ron got to survive the war zone specifically because he lost his head. He managed to survive that far while being hunted because Hermoine planned ahead and did way more prep than he did. Ron stormed off, got lost in the woods, and got lucky to be reuinited with the rest of the crew.

Ron doesn't have experience with super predators. Name an instance where Ron handled a magical creature that wasn't a sort of humanoid like an elf, goblin, or centaur? Ron changing his appearance won't matter that much, dinosaur vision on motion and a superior sense of smell will hunt him down. Ron is ignorant of muggle science. A ballpoint pen was revolutionary to him. I really doubt he knows anything about dinosaurs.

Ron has to manage to not get ambushed even once. Dinosaurs will take him out in one swoop as he has no durability and I doubt he goes the whole day without being surprised once.

Sending the kids worked and I'll again mention his chess ability. Not a perfect analog for tactical skill, but works sufficiently as an indicator.

It's not just stupufy and you know you it. As I mentioned, he's got a plethora of options both defensive shield spells and teleportation as well as offensive spells such as binding, blinding, banishing, and, disorienting on top of stupify and attack spells.

So what your saying is he doesn't always rely on magic? Or that he does always rely on magic?

And while Ron was lost in the woods with no initial plan he survived. Not just in terms of food and shelter, again starting with limited supplies, but also the war that had come to said forest.

Recall when he got back, he came back with spoils of war in the form of wands taken off enemy combatants that tended to operate in groups. One such wand that he gave to Harry. 

So again lost with no supplies in a wilderness environment while being actively hunted, by persons with access to magical forms of detection and tracking, Ron survived on his own for months.

How is this a point against him?

Only T-Rex vision was based on movement and there sense of smell didn't help much as they couldn't find static targets and raptors seemed to hunt visually as well or they wouldn't be tricked by reflections. 

So if Ron uses a Switch spell to swap a raptor with a herbivore he could get them fighting them selves. He might be able to switch with a raptor himself or as mentioned turn one or two into a much more inviting meal for it's comrades like a rabbit etc. Then leave while the raptors chase the rabbit.

Once again Ron has dozens of defensive/offensive/evasive options with his spells and broom.

He has survived hostile environments on his own. Will throw down when needed, but has no qualms about running away to survive.

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Match Final Results

Ronald Weasley: 6
Isla Sorna: 9

[Pizzaguy2995]

A very good debate between @RiotGear and @Twogunkid. Both had very good arguments and explained their points very well. Regardless of the score I think your both winners in my book! 👏👏👏

[Twogunkid]

3 hours ago, Pizzaguy2995 said:

A very good debate between @RiotGear and @Twogunkid. Both had very good arguments and explained their points very well. Regardless of the score I think your both winners in my book! 👏👏👏

Aw shucks. Well argued Riotgear. I was most convinced actually by your points on aerial mobility. I would have built on that.