12:9 - Shere Khan vs. Zira

[UMPIRE]

SEASON 12, ROUND 9

Shere Khan

Slot: The Team's Disney Fairy Tale Villain
Season Wins: 0
Season Losses: 1
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Zira

Slot: The Team's Disney Fairy Tale Villain
Season Wins: 0
Season Losses: 1
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Battle Terrain
Disney Villains: Kidnap the children of Shrek and Fiona

[Mercenaryblade]

Neither is too good for this slot, but Zira has more of a network going with her outlanders. 

She also had the whole assassinate Simba scheme. So I think she'd have a slight edge here

[Peypeypeypey]

Nah, I think Shere Kahn is better here. He's far more intimidating, tigers are bigger stronger, and faster than lions, and he's feared by everyone in the jungle for a reason

[Mercenaryblade]

3 minutes ago, Peypeypeypey said:

Nah, I think Shere Kahn is better here. He's far more intimidating, tigers are bigger stronger, and faster than lions, and he's feared by everyone in the jungle for a reason

He also operates independently. 

Zira has a pride of her own. 

Being intimidating bigger and stronger has no effect here. It's not a straight up fight. 

Zira's more conniving. She'd have her pride distract the ogres while others grabbed the kids.  

[Boratz]

Right now, leaning more towards Zira

As Merc pointed out, he doesn't really have a network or henchmen that could assist him. Zora has that to some extent. I don't think either one would do well, but she might have a little better chance with her resources

[Z451]

2 hours ago, Boratz said:

Right now, leaning more towards Zira

As Merc pointed out, he doesn't really have a network or henchmen that could assist him. Zora has that to some extent. I don't think either one would do well, but she might have a little better chance with her resources

Well Khan does have Kaa, but their relationship is dubious at best.

[Peypeypeypey]

1 hour ago, Z451 said:

Well Khan does have Kaa, but their relationship is dubious at best.

Oh Z, what a great pull. Kaa is terrified of Khan and will do what he says. What a great way for Khan to win this

[Mercenaryblade]

16 minutes ago, Peypeypeypey said:

Oh Z, what a great pull. Kaa is terrified of Khan and will do what he says. What a great way for Khan to win this

He's not exactly reliable though. So terrified of Shere Khan he attempts to eat Mowgli himself

Zira's pride are at least loyal. 

 

[Peypeypeypey]

1 hour ago, Mercenaryblade said:

He's not exactly reliable though. So terrified of Shere Khan he attempts to eat Mowgli himself

Zira's pride are at least loyal. 

 

Sure, but they're not gonna be enough to overwhelm Shrek and Fiona. Kaa and Khan at least have a good shot of doing it, plus if Khan is actually there Khan don't try to pull anything. 

[Mercenaryblade]

Kaa still isn't a gurantee and Shere Khan is more of a direct approach tiger. 

Zira is still the better choice of the two, this crazy lioness spent decades planning revenger on Simba.

She raised her own son to be a killer. Waited for Kiara to go on her first hunt and had a fire started on the plains so Kovu could rescue her and infiltrate Simba's pride. Then Kovu was to kill Simba when he'd gained his trust. Of course the one thing that ruined that plan was Kovu falling in love. But Zira had a backup plan. Jump Simba in a ravine. 

When Simba barely escaped that and cost Zira her other son, she was quick to use her son's death and Simba's injury to go to war, her linoesses were actuall fighting together like a unit compared to Simba's pride. 

So of these two choices Zira has the conniving ability that would favor her above Khan for this particular scenario. 

 

[Peypeypeypey]

10 minutes ago, Mercenaryblade said:

Kaa still isn't a gurantee and Shere Khan is more of a direct approach tiger. 

Zira is still the better choice of the two, this crazy lioness spent decades planning revenger on Simba.

She raised her own son to be a killer. Waited for Kiara to go on her first hunt and had a fire started on the plains so Kovu could rescue her and infiltrate Simba's pride. Then Kovu was to kill Simba when he'd gained his trust. Of course the one thing that ruined that plan was Kovu falling in love. But Zira had a backup plan. Jump Simba in a ravine. 

When Simba barely escaped that and cost Zira her other son, she was quick to use her son's death and Simba's injury to go to war, her linoesses were actuall fighting together like a unit compared to Simba's pride. 

So of these two choices Zira has the conniving ability that would favor her above Khan for this particular scenario. 

 

Kaa isn't a guarantee, but he is by far the most likely win-con either of these two have. By your own admission, Zira spent decades planning her last coup and it still failed. She doesn't have decades of planning this time, and she doesn't have a magical hypnotizing snake to help her win. Shrek and Fiona are too smart and skilled for Zira to take on, and Shere Khan's use of Kaa is a far more viable strategy even if it doesn't work 100% of the time

[Mercenaryblade]

22 minutes ago, Peypeypeypey said:

Kaa isn't a guarantee, but he is by far the most likely win-con either of these two have. By your own admission, Zira spent decades planning her last coup and it still failed. She doesn't have decades of planning this time, and she doesn't have a magical hypnotizing snake to help her win. Shrek and Fiona are too smart and skilled for Zira to take on, and Shere Khan's use of Kaa is a far more viable strategy even if it doesn't work 100% of the time

She doesn't need decades to plan for this, this is far easier than serving up revenge. My point was she's got the conniving guile and the patience to see it out. Also who would have predicted Kovu falling in love? It's a story trope but no one thinks story tropes are real. And she still had a backup plan, and another backup plan.

 Zira wont take the two on directly, she'd have her lackeys do that while she sneaks up and snatches the babies away. She's too smart for a direct confrontation. Direct confrontations are what Shere Khan prefers though, him using Kaa seems out of character, their relationship is tepid at best Khan knows Kaa is well.... a snake.    

 

 

[Peypeypeypey]

Again, neither of them is going to do very well, by MercBlade's own admission. Shere Khan is far more physically capable, able to take on a bear, a panther, and a wolf pack on his own, and Kaa is the only real viable win-con either side has

This should go to Khan

 

[Mercenaryblade]

The ogre family would turn Khan into a throw rug and Kaa again is not a guarantee, nor a guarantee he would succeed. 

Zira is the more strategic mind of the two and should take this handily. 

 

[UMPIRE]

Match Final Results

Shere Khan: 6
Zira: 5

[Mercenaryblade]

20 minutes ago, UMPIRE said:

Match Final Results

Shere Khan: 6
Zira: 5

I'm a bit salty about this one.

[Peypeypeypey]

I want to thank Z451 for reminding me that Kaa exists