12:13 - Hera vs. Cúchulainn

[UMPIRE]

SEASON 12, ROUND 13

Hera

Slot: The Team's Deity
Season Wins: 1
Season Losses: 1
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Cúchulainn

Slot: The Team's Deity
Season Wins: 1
Season Losses: 1
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Battle Terrain
Deities: Sway Hobbits

[RiotGear]

Hobbits are civilized people who respect order/law and value food and family.

Cuchulain is bound by oath to never say no to meals especially one offered by woman, but traditional Irish hospitality rules of the era means that every Hobbit that wants to invite him in and bend his ear/discuss there needs will be able to.

Cuchulain being an incarnation of Lugh a god of laws and oaths will also appeal to the Hobbits sense order and stability. 

The Hobbits strong ties to family and clan will be mirrored in Cuchulain.

Hera on the other hand is known for being petty and vengeful.

Even with out that though. Cuchulain simply has more culturally in common with the Hobbits than Hera.

[Peypeypeypey]

1 minute ago, RiotGear said:

Hobbits are civilized people who respect order/law and value food and family.

Cuchulain is bound by oath to never say no to meals especially one offered by woman, but traditional Irish hospitality rules of the era means that every Hobbit that wants to invite him in and bend his ear/discuss there needs will be able to.

Cuchulain being an incarnation of Lugh a god of laws and oaths will also appeal to the Hobbits sense order and stability. 

The Hobbits strong ties to family and clan will be mirrored in Cuchulain.

Hera on the other hand is known for being petty and vengeful.

Even with out that though. Cuchulain simply has more culturally in common with the Hobbits than Hera.

That seems like a really solid argument to me. I'm sold

[Culwych1]

Hmmm, gonna have to disagree.

Hera is the god of women and marriages, both which the hobbits take extremely seriously (as mentioned, family is everything to them). And whilst Hera does have a vengeful side, it is to do with relationships and plays nicely to the Hobbit temperament - "check out the new hot neighbour at your own peril dear husband!"

Cuchulain on the other hand is basically known to be a warrior and a berserker.  Definitely not one that is traditional to the Hobbits. If anything they would spurn warrior prowess and lean towards trickery and stealth.

[RiotGear]

48 minutes ago, Culwych1 said:

Hmmm, gonna have to disagree.

Hera is the god of women and marriages, both which the hobbits take extremely seriously (as mentioned, family is everything to them). And whilst Hera does have a vengeful side, it is to do with relationships and plays nicely to the Hobbit temperament - "check out the new hot neighbour at your own peril dear husband!"

Cuchulain on the other hand is basically known to be a warrior and a berserker.  Definitely not one that is traditional to the Hobbits. If anything they would spurn warrior prowess and lean towards trickery and stealth.

Family is important to them so the amount of back stabbing, deception, and in fighting Hera engages in with her own family is going to be huge turn off for them. 

Hera's family being the other Olympian Gods. A Pantheon known as much for it's constant in fighting as anything else.

Also Hobbit have a martial tradition of there own and war heros.

As proved time and time again. While seemingly peaceful by nature when backed into a corner Hobbits will respond with skill, strength, and aggression. One would not expect from folk of there size and general temperament. 

Cuchulain is also going to remind them of the Dunedain and Rangers for whom they have much love and respect. Even more so if we are dealing with post Ring War Hobbits.

The other thing is that Cuchulain will lead from the front, he will break bread with them.

Hera is a Greek Goddess she will demand obedience and tribute. She will impose her own will and culture. 

Hobbits have historically not stood for that.

Cuchulain on the other hand. Is not only culturally much closer to the Hobbits, but his own respect for law, oaths, and hospitality. Including to ones host will endear him to Hobbits.

[Culwych1]

On 12/22/2021 at 8:22 PM, RiotGear said:

Family is important to them so the amount of back stabbing, deception, and in fighting Hera engages in with her own family is going to be huge turn off for them. 

Hera's family being the other Olympian Gods. A Pantheon known as much for it's constant in fighting as anything else.

Also Hobbit have a martial tradition of there own and war heros.

As proved time and time again. While seemingly peaceful by nature when backed into a corner Hobbits will respond with skill, strength, and aggression. One would not expect from folk of there size and general temperament. 

Cuchulain is also going to remind them of the Dunedain and Rangers for whom they have much love and respect. Even more so if we are dealing with post Ring War Hobbits.

The other thing is that Cuchulain will lead from the front, he will break bread with them.

Hera is a Greek Goddess she will demand obedience and tribute. She will impose her own will and culture. 

Hobbits have historically not stood for that.

Cuchulain on the other hand. Is not only culturally much closer to the Hobbits, but his own respect for law, oaths, and hospitality. Including to ones host will endear him to Hobbits.

It's a good argument, but Hera didn't demand worship like some of the other gods did. She was a goddess of family, children, women and marriages - and actively protected women. Yes, there was the jealous side to her, but I don't see that conflicting with anything the Hobbits could worship.

Cuchulain on the other hand is a warrior god, and whilst he may fondly remind the Hobbits of the rangers, that's a big leap to Hobbits going from a peace loving race to worshipping a war god.

[RiotGear]

8 minutes ago, Culwych1 said:

It's a good argument, but Hera didn't demand worship like some of the other gods did. She was a goddess of family, children, women and marriages - and actively protected women. Yes, there was the jealous side to her, but I don't see that conflicting with anything the Hobbits could worship.

Cuchulain on the other hand is a warrior god, and whilst he may fondly remind the Hobbits of the rangers, that's a big leap to Hobbits going from a peace loving race to worshipping a war god.

Hera pursued vendettas against children for the sins of their father. 

Even if Hera appeals to the Hobbit women. Hobbit society is patriarchal and women flocked to Cuchulain, so even this might not be an in for Hera.

Cuchulain is a known as a warrior god, but he is also known as a god of oaths, law, and craftsmen. 

Those traits are going to appeal to Hobbits. Cuchulain is also known for his commitment to sharing meals. Food is huge part of Hobbit culture. 

Also Tolkien based the people's of Middle Earth on the pre-Christian groups of northern Europe like the Gauls, Celts,, Dames, and Norse. 

So Cuchulain is going to be closer to the Hobbits in terms of culture. From food, to clothes, to language, and religion. 

Hera is going to be foreign in both values and style. 

Cuchulain values similar things. He could have walked out of the pages of Tolkien novel. 

That familiarity/kinship is going to give him a real edge. 

Remember even if the Hobbits are generally peaceful themselves, they are not morally opposed to war and have honoured war heroes in there folk tradition.

Not to mention again there love and reverence for the Rangers who themselves are warriors.

 

[Culwych1]

35 minutes ago, RiotGear said:

Hera pursued vendettas against children for the sins of their father. 

Even if Hera appeals to the Hobbit women. Hobbit society is patriarchal and women flocked to Cuchulain, so even this might not be an in for Hera.

Cuchulain is a known as a warrior god, but he is also known as a god of oaths, law, and craftsmen. 

Those traits are going to appeal to Hobbits. Cuchulain is also known for his commitment to sharing meals. Food is huge part of Hobbit culture. 

Also Tolkien based the people's of Middle Earth on the pre-Christian groups of northern Europe like the Gauls, Celts,, Dames, and Norse. 

So Cuchulain is going to be closer to the Hobbits in terms of culture. From food, to clothes, to language, and religion. 

Hera is going to be foreign in both values and style. 

Cuchulain values similar things. He could have walked out of the pages of Tolkien novel. 

That familiarity/kinship is going to give him a real edge. 

Remember even if the Hobbits are generally peaceful themselves, they are not morally opposed to war and have honoured war heroes in there folk tradition.

Not to mention again there love and reverence for the Rangers who themselves are warriors.

 

I'm not sure the bit about the culture bit stands up, as the Greek culture of loving food, wine, philosophy, relaxation, nature etc., seems quite close to the hobbits for me.

That said, ain't my fight and I can see arguments for both really.

If somehow this ends up a tie, then we could say the divide is between the Hobbit men and women, as there could well be a place for both these gods in their pantheon.

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Match Final Results

Hera: 4
Cúchulainn: 3