12:15 - Warworld vs. Indiana Jones

[UMPIRE]

SEASON 12, ROUND 15

Warworld

Slot: The Team's Location
Season Wins: 2
Season Losses: 0
Fantasy Team Page
Read more about Warworld at this Wiki
Official Site: DC Comics

Indiana Jones

Slot: The Team's Survivor
Season Wins: 2
Season Losses: 0
Fantasy Team Page
Read more about Indiana Jones at this Wiki
Official Site: Paramount Pictures

Battle Terrain
Sidekick vs. Terrain

[RiotGear]

Warworld is vast, it's basically a planet. There is a good chance that any survivor dropped there could spend a day holed up. Find a corner of some huge castle or construct and ride it out and contrary to popular belief Dr. Jones is just fine with hiding and sneaking. Infact half the time he has to be drug in to adventure and once there does his best to avoid confrontation. 

Also while Warworld tends to be a Superman setting. Batman has also survived stays on it and battling it's citizenry. 

Batman who for all his skill and accolades is still human. 

Now to Jones surviving. 

This is not Indy's first experience with a combat environment. He fought in both World Wars. Including surviving The Battle of the Somme, one of the deadliest battles in human history.

He also had war declared on him by Nazi Germany and survived. While inside there territory. 

He has also traveled too and survived in a couple versions of hell. 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Netherworld 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Xibalbá

Jones also has a good deal of experience with superhuman and supernatural opponents. Such as...

Cyborgs 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Helmut_von_Mephisto

Robots 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Robot_Guardian

Zombies 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Zombie

Dragons 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon

Ice monsters 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Ice_Guardian

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Ice_Creature

Lava monsters 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Lava_Guardian

Giants 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Shintay

https://m.imgur.com/Ch7U9G5 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Homonculus 

Giant octopus 

https://m.imgur.com/a/RBfSzzM 

And in every case through a combination of brain, brawn, skill, and gear Indy came out on top.

So as surprising as it may be I don't think there is much on Warworld that Dr. Jones hasn't survived in the past. 

As mentioned earlier tough/skilled humans have survived on Warworld before. 

Dr. Jones is just that. As far as skill goes he is not only tournament winning boxer 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Boxing_medal

, But also has wins over three Olympic Gold Medalist boxers 

Biff 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Biff_(German) 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CsaSJYluunA

Fritz ( guard )

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Fritz_(guard)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iug0xAA7wCM

Fritz ( ticket taker ) 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Fritz_(ticket_taker)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BggPfjukV0w

Physically he is able to smash through stone/brick walls. 

https://m.imgur.com/a/canr6UL

Send people flying with his blows. 

https://gfycat.com/unknownhardtofindgrizzlybear

Pull giant stone blocks 

https://gfycat.com/complexsilvercottontail

Is fast enough to dodge/block guns shots, arrows, thrown weapons.

https://m.imgur.com/a/ypTXU5N

https://m.imgur.com/a/G8Ahslg

https://m.imgur.com/a/qkp9nei

https://gfycat.com/obesehighlark

https://m.imgur.com/eHsz4xr

https://m.imgur.com/S9xLHLC

Tough enough to get smacked around by a bears and bull. 

https://m.imgur.com/a/411Hha9

https://m.imgur.com/BaHtiGs

And agile enough to pull off stuff like this. 

https://gfycat.com/fearlesscriminaldragonfly

https://m.imgur.com/nINWfPh

https://www.reddit.com/r/RTvideos/comments/cuoplm/indiana_jones_and_the_chinese_pirates/ 

https://gfycat.com/plaintivebigguineafowl

As well as all the ancient ruin escaping shenanigans he is best known for. 

In other words if a human that is not Batman is going to survive Warworld it's Indiana Jones.

 

[DSkillz]

2 hours ago, RiotGear said:

Warworld is vast, it's basically a planet. There is a good chance that any survivor dropped there could spend a day holed up. Find a corner of some huge castle or construct and ride it out and contrary to popular belief Dr. Jones is just fine with hiding and sneaking. Infact half the time he has to be drug in to adventure and once there does his best to avoid confrontation.

Doubtful it's gonna be that easy to hide away. Warworld has technology more advanced than anything Indy has seen on Earth, so there's all manner of surveillance tools to keep track of citizens and visitors. Also, the transportation's more advanced, so Indiana Jones, whose main adventuring experience spans from WW1 to the Civil Right era, likely wouldn't begin to know how to pilot a vehicle there. 

2 hours ago, RiotGear said:

Also while Warworld tends to be a Superman setting. Batman has also survived stays on it and battling it's citizenry. 

Batman who for all his skill and accolades is still human. 

You left out some context.

First of all, unlike Indy in this scenario, Batman did not go to Warworld alone, so mentioning Bats' adventures there shouldn't really matter in these conditions. Second of all, Batman also has all kinds of experience with all kinds of threats, whether they be extraterrestrial or supernatural, and certainly has had more varied experiences than Indy. And finally, Bats has a lot more resources at his disposal than Indy ever did. 

2 hours ago, RiotGear said:

This is not Indy's first experience with a combat environment. He fought in both World Wars. Including surviving The Battle of the Somme, one of the deadliest battles in human history.

He also had war declared on him by Nazi Germany and survived. While inside there territory. 

He has also traveled too and survived in a couple versions of hell. 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Netherworld 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Xibalbá

Netherworld doesn't look like it's as dangerous as Warworld, as Superman has mentioned the only thing capable of destroying it was Warworld itself. 

Also, the second link mentions that Jones supposedly visited Xibalba, and it doesn't really go into detail what dangers are in the area. 

2 hours ago, RiotGear said:

Jones also has a good deal of experience with superhuman and supernatural opponents. Such as...

Cyborgs 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Helmut_von_Mephisto

Robots 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Robot_Guardian

Zombies 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Zombie

Dragons 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon

Ice monsters 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Ice_Guardian

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Ice_Creature

Lava monsters 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Lava_Guardian

Giants 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Shintay

https://m.imgur.com/Ch7U9G5 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Homonculus 

Giant octopus 

https://m.imgur.com/a/RBfSzzM 

None of that really compares to what Jones would have to deal with on Warworld, such as Black Mercy Flowers and an army made up of the strongest members of various alien races (where a human like Indy would stand out like a sore thumb).

2 hours ago, RiotGear said:

As far as skill goes he is not only tournament winning boxer 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Boxing_medal

, But also has wins over three Olympic Gold Medalist boxers 

Biff 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Biff_(German) 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CsaSJYluunA

Fritz ( guard )

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Fritz_(guard)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iug0xAA7wCM

Fritz ( ticket taker ) 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Fritz_(ticket_taker)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BggPfjukV0w

Physically he is able to smash through stone/brick walls. 

https://m.imgur.com/a/canr6UL

Send people flying with his blows. 

https://gfycat.com/unknownhardtofindgrizzlybear

Pull giant stone blocks 

https://gfycat.com/complexsilvercottontail

Is fast enough to dodge/block guns shots, arrows, thrown weapons.

https://m.imgur.com/a/ypTXU5N

https://m.imgur.com/a/G8Ahslg

https://m.imgur.com/a/qkp9nei

https://gfycat.com/obesehighlark

https://m.imgur.com/eHsz4xr

https://m.imgur.com/S9xLHLC

Tough enough to get smacked around by a bears and bull. 

https://m.imgur.com/a/411Hha9

https://m.imgur.com/BaHtiGs

And agile enough to pull off stuff like this. 

https://gfycat.com/fearlesscriminaldragonfly

https://m.imgur.com/nINWfPh

https://www.reddit.com/r/RTvideos/comments/cuoplm/indiana_jones_and_the_chinese_pirates/ 

https://gfycat.com/plaintivebigguineafowl

As mentioned, none of those Earth-bound foes would really compare to warriors from the best specimens from around the cosmos. 

BTW, was the game from which that stone-pulling feat comes from made by the same developers that made the Tomb Raider games? Gameplay looks very similar.

[Pizzaguy2995]

4 hours ago, RiotGear said:

Warworld is vast, it's basically a planet. There is a good chance that any survivor dropped there could spend a day holed up. Find a corner of some huge castle or construct and ride it out and contrary to popular belief Dr. Jones is just fine with hiding and sneaking. Infact half the time he has to be drug in to adventure and once there does his best to avoid confrontation. 

Also while Warworld tends to be a Superman setting. Batman has also survived stays on it and battling it's citizenry. 

Batman who for all his skill and accolades is still human. 

Now to Jones surviving. 

This is not Indy's first experience with a combat environment. He fought in both World Wars. Including surviving The Battle of the Somme, one of the deadliest battles in human history.

He also had war declared on him by Nazi Germany and survived. While inside there territory. 

He has also traveled too and survived in a couple versions of hell. 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Netherworld 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Xibalbá

Jones also has a good deal of experience with superhuman and supernatural opponents. Such as...

Cyborgs 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Helmut_von_Mephisto

Robots 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Robot_Guardian

Zombies 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Zombie

Dragons 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon

Ice monsters 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Ice_Guardian

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Ice_Creature

Lava monsters 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Lava_Guardian

Giants 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Shintay

https://m.imgur.com/Ch7U9G5 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Homonculus 

Giant octopus 

https://m.imgur.com/a/RBfSzzM 

And in every case through a combination of brain, brawn, skill, and gear Indy came out on top.

So as surprising as it may be I don't think there is much on Warworld that Dr. Jones hasn't survived in the past. 

As mentioned earlier tough/skilled humans have survived on Warworld before. 

Dr. Jones is just that. As far as skill goes he is not only tournament winning boxer 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Boxing_medal

, But also has wins over three Olympic Gold Medalist boxers 

Biff 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Biff_(German) 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CsaSJYluunA

Fritz ( guard )

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Fritz_(guard)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iug0xAA7wCM

Fritz ( ticket taker ) 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Fritz_(ticket_taker)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BggPfjukV0w

Physically he is able to smash through stone/brick walls. 

https://m.imgur.com/a/canr6UL

Send people flying with his blows. 

https://gfycat.com/unknownhardtofindgrizzlybear

Pull giant stone blocks 

https://gfycat.com/complexsilvercottontail

Is fast enough to dodge/block guns shots, arrows, thrown weapons.

https://m.imgur.com/a/ypTXU5N

https://m.imgur.com/a/G8Ahslg

https://m.imgur.com/a/qkp9nei

https://gfycat.com/obesehighlark

https://m.imgur.com/eHsz4xr

https://m.imgur.com/S9xLHLC

Tough enough to get smacked around by a bears and bull. 

https://m.imgur.com/a/411Hha9

https://m.imgur.com/BaHtiGs

And agile enough to pull off stuff like this. 

https://gfycat.com/fearlesscriminaldragonfly

https://m.imgur.com/nINWfPh

https://www.reddit.com/r/RTvideos/comments/cuoplm/indiana_jones_and_the_chinese_pirates/ 

https://gfycat.com/plaintivebigguineafowl

As well as all the ancient ruin escaping shenanigans he is best known for. 

In other words if a human that is not Batman is going to survive Warworld it's Indiana Jones.

 

Dang! Guess I gotta turn in my Indiana Jones fanboy card cause I had no idea my man Indy be out there fighting Cyborgs, Dragons, and all that shit. And he survived China and Mexico’s hell? Like bro what? 🤣🤣🤣

[RiotGear]

5 hours ago, Pizzaguy2995 said:

Dang! Guess I gotta turn in my Indiana Jones fanboy card cause I had no idea my man Indy be out there fighting Cyborgs, Dragons, and all that shit. And he survived China and Mexico’s hell? Like bro what? 🤣🤣🤣

Don't turn in your Indy fanboy card. Just update it for premium membership.

Truth that's probably small scale stuff compared to the time Indy traveled to a God's personal pocket dimension, a pocket dimension poisonous to humans, and proceeded to take out said God. 

The God 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Marduk

The pocket dimension 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Aetherium

 

[Peypeypeypey]

...did all this stuff really happen?

[DSkillz]

Eh, none of those feats are going to matter if Indy is constantly surveilled. If Warworld can keep track of the entire Justice League trying to invade, it can surely keep an eye on one human with significantly less power and cunning maybe on par.

From there, a mind control probe can be placed on Indy to control/brainwash him (note that the probes were fast enough to be placed on the likes of Flash and Guy Gardner while they were in motion), or teleport Indy to wherever the controlling party wishes, like a combat arena, for instance, and even from miles away. 

Warworld can also create an army of Manhunters (androids that can take on -- and often defeat -- Green Lanterns). 

All the feats listed for Indy against those various being depended on him finding a specific weakness to defeat them. He's not gonna get the opportunity -- let alone have the ability -- to do so here.

[RiotGear]

1 hour ago, Peypeypeypey said:

...did all this stuff really happen?

Yep, 

Indiana Jones Canon works the way Star Wars Canon use to work. 

That is to say unless it's expressly stated that it's not Canon. It is Canon.

[RiotGear]

20 hours ago, DSkillz said:

Doubtful it's gonna be that easy to hide away. Warworld has technology more advanced than anything Indy has seen on Earth, so there's all manner of surveillance tools to keep track of citizens and visitors. Also, the transportation's more advanced, so Indiana Jones, whose main adventuring experience spans from WW1 to the Civil Right era, likely wouldn't begin to know how to pilot a vehicle there. 

You left out some context.

First of all, unlike Indy in this scenario, Batman did not go to Warworld alone, so mentioning Bats' adventures there shouldn't really matter in these conditions. Second of all, Batman also has all kinds of experience with all kinds of threats, whether they be extraterrestrial or supernatural, and certainly has had more varied experiences than Indy. And finally, Bats has a lot more resources at his disposal than Indy ever did. 

Netherworld doesn't look like it's as dangerous as Warworld, as Superman has mentioned the only thing capable of destroying it was Warworld itself. 

Also, the second link mentions that Jones supposedly visited Xibalba, and it doesn't really go into detail what dangers are in the area. 

None of that really compares to what Jones would have to deal with on Warworld, such as Black Mercy Flowers and an army made up of the strongest members of various alien races (where a human like Indy would stand out like a sore thumb).

As mentioned, none of those Earth-bound foes would really compare to warriors from the best specimens from around the cosmos. 

Warworld is still huge, with a planet's population of inhabitants. 

Even if they can pinpoint him, why would they he is one random guy in a population of millions. 

This is also where Jones education in archeology, anthropology, and linguistics. 

Come into play. He learns culture for a living and is something of a polyglot. He is going to learn the culture and the language in no time flat. Then blend in and disappear. 

What's so different about there transportation. It seems to largely be made up of tracked vehicles and aircraft. 

Hell they've got some cars. 

https://www.supermanhomepage.com/new-details-on-warworld-characters-as-action-comics-1036-is-delayed/amp/

Indy has operated cars, trucks, motorcycles, boats, submarines, trains, planes, hot air balloons etc. He once said if it's got wheels he can drive it, but he has also proven it's doesn't need wheels for him to figure it out. 

Thanks for the context and pointing out that Barbara Gordon and Jason Todd also survived on Warworld. 

Yes they had members of the Justice League/Superman family with them, but they weren't locked in Nth metal playpens, with Kryptonian babysitters the whole time. 

They were humans that mixed it up with the armies of Warworld and survived. 

Does Batman have more varied experience then Indy?

Maybe he's done a couple more things, but I'm not sure any of it would be pertinent to surviving Warworld. 

What are Bruce's resources gonna do for him on Warworld. He's there with what he can carry. 

The Netherworld was actively unstable and targeting him. The same is not likely to be the case for Warworld.

For clarification Jones did go to Xibalba. There is just some dispute about whether the one he went is the one from myth. 

It was however a barren volcanic waste land that appeared under a dense jungle, though also wasn't exactly a cave. So something supernatural was going on. 

Just getting to the portal to the Netherworld involves traverse a giant tomb out to kill you. 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Emperor's_Tomb

Similarly he survived Nub's Tomb while collecting the pieces to the Infernal Machine. This is the tomb guarded by robots. 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Nub's_Tomb

Dr. Jones has also traveled to and survived the destruction of Atlantis. While there he figured Atlantean technology. This is important because Atlantean tech comes from the Horned Being that visited Atlantis from the sky. In other words space fairing Aliens. 

Atlantis 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Atlantis

Horned Beings 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Horned_beings

Indy rebuilding Atlantean tech 

https://gfycat.com/essentiallightheartedcuscus

And for good measure building an Orichalum Detector out of found objects. 

https://gfycat.com/accuratejampackedhomalocephale 

Don't think the black mercy flower or mind control is going to work. 

Indy can resist telepathic probing 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Irina_Spalko

He can also see through illusion/magic 

https://m.imgur.com/VeC9xTt 

https://m.imgur.com/7ZDwKXz

And if all else fails Jones still has his "spirit animal" 

https://m.imgur.com/a/fTWqcCU

https://m.imgur.com/7pnLJku

https://m.imgur.com/a/KnqYYMv

https://m.imgur.com/vLp4qYf

https://m.imgur.com/rYnR6ly

https://m.imgur.com/HDY1sZ5

To center and guide him. 

I don't mean to be that guy, but those "best specimens from around the cosmos" don't really have any feats of there own. 

Infact we know from the comics that human level opponents like Batman, Redwood, and Batgirl can take them down. 

We have other examples from DC Comics as well where alien champions are taken down by human fighters. 

https://www.google.com/search?q=hun'ya+vs+muhammad+ali&client=ms-android-motorola-rvo3&prmd=vinx&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiUlf2XiY_1AhVNGTQIHcINDRgQ_AUoAnoECAIQAg&biw=412&bih=780&dpr=1.75#imgrc=A00h0oS_5iRBBM

https://www.google.com/search?q=hun'ya+vs+muhammad+ali&client=ms-android-motorola-rvo3&prmd=vinx&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiUlf2XiY_1AhVNGTQIHcINDRgQ_AUoAnoECAIQAg&biw=412&bih=780&dpr=1.75#imgrc=GHcD9rkp4lRB_M

Sure Hun'Ya loses to Ali. Still all this combined suggests that simply being the best/strongest of an alien race, doesn't put you leagues above humans. 

Also let's look at Warworld select process 

https://www.google.com/search?q=warworld+respect+thread&client=ms-android-motorola-rvo3&prmd=isnxv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiBgJach4_1AhW8HzQIHWyLBOsQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=412&bih=780&dpr=1.75#imgrc=B0J8u-oHFQ6F8M

First off this shows us that they take prisoners and then said prisoners are processed. 

With the scope we are dealing with Indy could get captured and still be waiting for selection by the time his 24 hours ends. 

Even if he is evaluated, he is a trained spy who has been captured before. He can play along and as stated above Warworld is not just looking for muscle, but also the smarts and Dr. Jones has that. 

Along with physical abilities on par with other members of the citizenry. Heck even if he is sorted into the gladiatorial pool or domestic service. He is unlikely to die right away.

Let's break this down 

First. Warworld has to care enough about Indy to find him. 

Then they have to find him.

Then capture him.

Then process him. 

Then send him where he needs to go. 

Then which ever caste/area he ends up in needs to get around to killing him. ( Note most recruits aren't killed right away. Warworld prefers to use them for slave labor etc.) 

And all of this has to happen in a single day. 

For all it's lethality, Warworld is still has a government, it has bureaucracy, red tape, chain of command, standard operating procedure etc. 

Indy on the other hand is a single individual in a huge population. Allowed to move freely and do as he sees fit.

[DSkillz]

The time away during New Year's probably cost me here, but here we go ... 

On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:

Warworld is still huge, with a planet's population of inhabitants. 

Even if they can pinpoint him, why would they he is one random guy in a population of millions. 

Indy would still stand out among the warzoons, since he's not as rugged-looking or have any particular markings or even matching skin tone for the most part. I also seriously doubt he'd be able to mug someone and take their clothing like he's done with soldiers in his films, as the warzoons are an advanced alien species. 

Besides, if Brainiac is running Warworld, there's a very good chance he wouldn't allow any biological lifeforms on the planet and eradicate them quickly.

On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:

This is also where Jones education in archeology, anthropology, and linguistics. 

Come into play. He learns culture for a living and is something of a polyglot. He is going to learn the culture and the language in no time flat. Then blend in and disappear. 

He's going to learn the culture and the language of an alien world in under 24 hours? GTFO.  He's very good, I'll grant you that, but he'd have to be almost psychic to learn enough of it fast enough to blend in. 

Also, if this is Brainiac's Warworld. Indy's not gonna blend in with interstellar tech.

On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:

What's so different about there transportation. It seems to largely be made up of tracked vehicles and aircraft. 

Hell they've got some cars. 

https://www.supermanhomepage.com/new-details-on-warworld-characters-as-action-comics-1036-is-delayed/amp/

Indy has operated cars, trucks, motorcycles, boats, submarines, trains, planes, hot air balloons etc. He once said if it's got wheels he can drive it, but he has also proven it's doesn't need wheels for him to figure it out. 

Nice try, but it straight up says right in the article you provided here that they only look like Earth vehicles on the outside, and they are much more advanced. And as a reminder, Indy mainly has experience with Earth vehicles from the 20th century. 

On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:

Thanks for the context and pointing out that Barbara Gordon and Jason Todd also survived on Warworld. 

Yes they had members of the Justice League/Superman family with them, but they weren't locked in Nth metal playpens, with Kryptonian babysitters the whole time. 

They were humans that mixed it up with the armies of Warworld and survived. 

And again, the DC heroes as a whole have more experience dealing with a more varied array of supernatural and extraterrestrial beings than Indy, such as White Martians, various Apokoliptian forces, Daxamites, Imperiex's probes, Manhunters (the androids, not J'onn), 5th Dimensional Imps (Mister Mxyzptlk, Bat Mite, etc.), various god pantheons, witches (Circe, Morgaine le Fey, Enchantress, etc.), magicians like Spellbender and Felix Faust, and so on. 

Your point? 

On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:

Does Batman have more varied experience then Indy?

Maybe he's done a couple more things, but I'm not sure any of it would be pertinent to surviving Warworld. 

What are Bruce's resources gonna do for him on Warworld. He's there with what he can carry. 

You're kind of proving my point for me here. Batman easily has more accomplishments than Indy in various fields in his 80+ year history in comics, tv, film, games, etc. If even you don't think Batman can survive on Warworld, how do you think Indy going to do so with much fewer resources and skill?

On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:

Don't think the black mercy flower or mind control is going to work. 

Indy can resist telepathic probing 

https://indianajones.fandom.com/wiki/Irina_Spalko

And you seriously think this is anywhere near as advanced as tools used to keep members of the Justice League at bay?

On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:

He can also see through illusion/magic 

https://m.imgur.com/VeC9xTt 

https://m.imgur.com/7ZDwKXz

And if all else fails Jones still has his "spirit animal" 

https://m.imgur.com/a/fTWqcCU

https://m.imgur.com/7pnLJku

https://m.imgur.com/a/KnqYYMv

https://m.imgur.com/vLp4qYf

https://m.imgur.com/rYnR6ly

https://m.imgur.com/HDY1sZ5

To center and guide him. 

Yeah, and I remember how drinking the Blood of Kali went for him. He didn't break free of its influence on his own, if I recall.

On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:

I don't mean to be that guy, but those "best specimens from around the cosmos" don't really have any feats of there own. 

Infact we know from the comics that human level opponents like Batman, Redwood, and Batgirl can take them down. 

We have other examples from DC Comics as well where alien champions are taken down by human fighters. 

https://www.google.com/search?q=hun'ya+vs+muhammad+ali&client=ms-android-motorola-rvo3&prmd=vinx&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiUlf2XiY_1AhVNGTQIHcINDRgQ_AUoAnoECAIQAg&biw=412&bih=780&dpr=1.75#imgrc=A00h0oS_5iRBBM

https://www.google.com/search?q=hun'ya+vs+muhammad+ali&client=ms-android-motorola-rvo3&prmd=vinx&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiUlf2XiY_1AhVNGTQIHcINDRgQ_AUoAnoECAIQAg&biw=412&bih=780&dpr=1.75#imgrc=GHcD9rkp4lRB_M

Sure Hun'Ya loses to Ali. Still all this combined suggests that simply being the best/strongest of an alien race, doesn't put you leagues above humans. 

Hun'Ya must've been physically one of the weaker aliens out there if Ali (one of the most physically capable men in history, but still a normal human) could beat him without any enhancements. It's also kind of curious Superman didn't just take out the alien armada from jump, since he ends up doing so anyway in the end.

On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:

Also let's look at Warworld select process 

https://www.google.com/search?q=warworld+respect+thread&client=ms-android-motorola-rvo3&prmd=isnxv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiBgJach4_1AhW8HzQIHWyLBOsQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=412&bih=780&dpr=1.75#imgrc=B0J8u-oHFQ6F8M

First off this shows us that they take prisoners and then said prisoners are processed. 

With the scope we are dealing with Indy could get captured and still be waiting for selection by the time his 24 hours ends. 

I think you're talking about this panel: 

Respect Warworld, The Warship Planet (Complete Respect Thread) - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine (gamespot.com)

We don't know how long that processing takes. Warworld's tech is much more advanced than Earth's, so for all we know, they may process millions of specimens within a day's time. 

Also, if this is Brainiac's Warworld, he likely wouldn't even bother with taking prisoners anyway. 

On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:

Even if he is evaluated, he is a trained spy who has been captured before. He can play along and as stated above Warworld is not just looking for muscle, but also the smarts and Dr. Jones has that. 

Along with physical abilities on par with other members of the citizenry. Heck even if he is sorted into the gladiatorial pool or domestic service. He is unlikely to die right away.

Off the top of my head, I've never known any human specimens being considered for use on Warworld. If they're looking for the strongest beings, relatively-normal humans certainly won't make the cut. If they're looking for the smartest, they'd be better off seeking out Batman, Mister Terrific, Lex Luthor, etc. in their own universe. 

On 12/31/2021 at 4:40 PM, RiotGear said:

Let's break this down 

First. Warworld has to care enough about Indy to find him. 

Then they have to find him.

Then capture him.

Then process him. 

Then send him where he needs to go. 

Then which ever caste/area he ends up in needs to get around to killing him. ( Note most recruits aren't killed right away. Warworld prefers to use them for slave labor etc.) 

And all of this has to happen in a single day. 

For all it's lethality, Warworld is still has a government, it has bureaucracy, red tape, chain of command, standard operating procedure etc. 

Indy on the other hand is a single individual in a huge population. Allowed to move freely and do as he sees fit.

If Warworld is run by Brainiac, he very likely won't tolerate one single human that suddenly appeared on the planet. On Mongul's Warworld, I still seriously doubt Jones could physically or mentally hang with the various elements there on his own. 

[RiotGear]

27 minutes ago, DSkillz said:

The time away during New Year's probably cost me here, but here we go ... 

Indy would still stand out among the warzoons, since he's not as rugged-looking or have any particular markings or even matching skin tone for the most part. I also seriously doubt he'd be able to mug someone and take their clothing like he's done with soldiers in his films, as the warzoons are an advanced alien species. 

Besides, if Brainiac is running Warworld, there's a very good chance he wouldn't allow any biological lifeforms on the planet and eradicate them quickly.

He's going to learn the culture and the language of an alien world in under 24 hours? GTFO.  He's very good, I'll grant you that, but he'd have to be almost psychic to learn enough of it fast enough to blend in. 

Also, if this is Brainiac's Warworld. Indy's not gonna blend in with interstellar tech.

Nice try, but it straight up says right in the article you provided here that they only look like Earth vehicles on the outside, and they are much more advanced. And as a reminder, Indy mainly has experience with Earth vehicles from the 20th century. 

And again, the DC heroes as a whole have more experience dealing with a more varied array of supernatural and extraterrestrial beings than Indy, such as White Martians, various Apokoliptian forces, Daxamites, Imperiex's probes, Manhunters (the androids, not J'onn), 5th Dimensional Imps (Mister Mxyzptlk, Bat Mite, etc.), various god pantheons, witches (Circe, Morgaine le Fey, Enchantress, etc.), magicians like Spellbender and Felix Faust, and so on. 

Your point? 

You're kind of proving my point for me here. Batman easily has more accomplishments than Indy in various fields in his 80+ year history in comics, tv, film, games, etc. If even you don't think Batman can survive on Warworld, how do you think Indy going to do so with much fewer resources and skill?

And you seriously think this is anywhere near as advanced as tools used to keep members of the Justice League at bay?

Yeah, and I remember how drinking the Blood of Kali went for him. He didn't break free of its influence on his own, if I recall.

Hun'Ya must've been physically one of the weaker aliens out there if Ali (one of the most physically capable men in history, but still a normal human) could beat him without any enhancements. It's also kind of curious Superman didn't just take out the alien armada from jump, since he ends up doing so anyway in the end.

I think you're talking about this panel: 

Respect Warworld, The Warship Planet (Complete Respect Thread) - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine (gamespot.com)

We don't know how long that processing takes. Warworld's tech is much more advanced than Earth's, so for all we know, they may process millions of specimens within a day's time. 

Also, if this is Brainiac's Warworld, he likely wouldn't even bother with taking prisoners anyway. 

Off the top of my head, I've never known any human specimens being considered for use on Warworld. If they're looking for the strongest beings, relatively-normal humans certainly won't make the cut. If they're looking for the smartest, they'd be better off seeking out Batman, Mister Terrific, Lex Luthor, etc. in their own universe. 

If Warworld is run by Brainiac, he very likely won't tolerate one single human that suddenly appeared on the planet. On Mongul's Warworld, I still seriously doubt Jones could physically or mentally hang with the various elements there on his own. 

First off happy New Year, I hope you had a good one.

Secondly I may not go point by point, but here it goes. 

If Brainiac Warworld is going to auto kill any organic life than it's gonna be DQ from the location slot. So this has to be Mongul's. 

There are hundreds of different kinds of aliens on Warworld. Still a lot of them mostly human shaped, Jones is not gonna stick out. 

Those Warworld cars were designed to mimic cars even if they are not powers by internal combustion engines. Also as I've pointed out Indy has adapted to alien tech before. 

My point about Batman/Jason Todd/Barbara Gordon was that they are human level combatants that survived on Warworld and managed to fight the Warzone/inhabitants of Warworld in spite of the fact that you keep insisting that said inhabitants are way more powerful than humans. 

As to experience, really the only thing that I can think of that Batman has done that Jones doesn't have experience with is maybe time travel. 

And I don't think Bruce used time travel to survive Warworld. 

So once again multiple humans have survived on and battles the forces of Warworld. 

That was the point I was making. 

Also once again no feats for the aliens that make the cut. 

Hun'Ya's people traveled around challenging worlds and Hun'Ya was specifically designed to be the best. 

Yet he was bested by a human. 

In "Crystal Skull" Indy translated a language he did know with in a day. Granted he did so based on languages he did know, but it does indicate his ability to learn. 

Also like you said we don't know how long it takes to process and once again even if he is processed in a day, they still have to get around to killing him. Which again is not normally what Warworld is after, they want an army and a slave labor force. 

Oh and even if they would prefer Luther to Jones, Luther is not there and they are sorting what specimens they have on hand.

[DSkillz]

35 minutes ago, RiotGear said:

First off happy New Year, I hope you had a good one.

Thanks, man, you too. It was good -- and busy. 

1 hour ago, RiotGear said:

If Brainiac Warworld is going to auto kill any organic life than it's gonna be DQ from the location slot. So this has to be Mongul's. 

Mongul's Warworld still has a very good shot at doing so, as I still doubt Indy has the physical and intellectual chops to survive.

35 minutes ago, RiotGear said:

There are hundreds of different kinds of aliens on Warworld. Still a lot of them mostly human shaped, Jones is not gonna stick out. 

He likely will stick if he's not as rugged, scarred, or tattooed as the more humanoid figures often appear to be. 

37 minutes ago, RiotGear said:

Those Warworld cars were designed to mimic cars even if they are not powers by internal combustion engines. Also as I've pointed out Indy has adapted to alien tech before. 

Going by what that comic's author said, they only appear as Earth automobiles on the outside. Underneath, they're likely much more advanced. 

And honestly, none of the parts of alien tech that Jones put together in the gifs provided looked any more advanced that something you'd find on Earth.

41 minutes ago, RiotGear said:

My point about Batman/Jason Todd/Barbara Gordon was that they are human level combatants that survived on Warworld and managed to fight the Warzone/inhabitants of Warworld in spite of the fact that you keep insisting that said inhabitants are way more powerful than humans. 

Being the Bat Family, it's pretty certain that they had more powerful tools on hand than Indy does to deal with those forces, especially since they already had an idea what they were dealing with and could prepare accordingly. 

Besides, many of Warworld's combatants generally take on beings on the level of the average Justice League member as a whole, so it's pretty certain they're a good deal more powerful than humans. 

50 minutes ago, RiotGear said:

As to experience, really the only thing that I can think of that Batman has done that Jones doesn't have experience with is maybe time travel. 

And I don't think Bruce used time travel to survive Warworld. 

Even if we consider all of Jones's feats from every media he's been in as canon, Batman in-canon has still seen and experienced more and more varied threats. 

1 hour ago, RiotGear said:

Hun'Ya's people traveled around challenging worlds and Hun'Ya was specifically designed to be the best. 

Yet he was bested by a human. 

From the looks of it, his people challenged worlds much more through their tech than any physical ability they may have. 

1 hour ago, RiotGear said:

In "Crystal Skull" Indy translated a language he did know with in a day. Granted he did so based on languages he did know, but it does indicate his ability to learn

He translated Mayan, which no doubt several Earth languages have some basis in. Alien languages would not have the same basis. 

1 hour ago, RiotGear said:

Also like you said we don't know how long it takes to process and once again even if he is processed in a day, they still have to get around to killing him. Which again is not normally what Warworld is after, they want an army and a slave labor force. 

Oh and even if they would prefer Luther to Jones, Luther is not there and they are sorting what specimens they have on hand.

And if Indy fits none of the above, he'll get turned into raw materials, which could happen within a day. 

[RiotGear]

1 hour ago, DSkillz said:

Thanks, man, you too. It was good -- and busy. 

Mongul's Warworld still has a very good shot at doing so, as I still doubt Indy has the physical and intellectual chops to survive.

He likely will stick if he's not as rugged, scarred, or tattooed as the more humanoid figures often appear to be. 

Going by what that comic's author said, they only appear as Earth automobiles on the outside. Underneath, they're likely much more advanced. 

And honestly, none of the parts of alien tech that Jones put together in the gifs provided looked any more advanced that something you'd find on Earth.

Being the Bat Family, it's pretty certain that they had more powerful tools on hand than Indy does to deal with those forces, especially since they already had an idea what they were dealing with and could prepare accordingly. 

Besides, many of Warworld's combatants generally take on beings on the level of the average Justice League member as a whole, so it's pretty certain they're a good deal more powerful than humans. 

Even if we consider all of Jones's feats from every media he's been in as canon, Batman in-canon has still seen and experienced more and more varied threats. 

From the looks of it, his people challenged worlds much more through their tech than any physical ability they may have. 

He translated Mayan, which no doubt several Earth languages have some basis in. Alien languages would not have the same basis. 

And if Indy fits none of the above, he'll get turned into raw materials, which could happen within a day. 

What do you think those physical/intellectual chops are? 

Because what we see on Warworld is individuals who do not share Indy's intellectual ability and who can physically be put down by human level opponents. 

Indiana Jones is not rugged and scarred? Your reaching man. Indy is the epitome of rugged adventure hero. 

A cars controls, while inside the cab are still on the exterior of the vehicle compared to the engine/transmission. If you are going for a car aesthetic you are not gonna operate via touch screen. Also with two arms and legs there are only so many ways your going to set up controls to drive. 

What did the Bat Family bring, cause it looked like they largely had there regular gear. Gear they use to take down there regular enemies. Opponents that Indy can take down with wit and a whip. 

There were enough non-Justice League level ones that the Bat Family never faced a stray overly powerful one. Also the Bat Family had mission, places to go. Jones doesn't he can run away from and avoid conflict. 

The touch of added variation that Batman may have seen, isn't going to make huge difference on Warworld. It's stuff like time travel. Which isn't really pertinent to post apocalyptic survival. 

Also weird way to say Indiana Jones doesn't have the same experience as Batman. 

Wording wise it's seems like you're trying to suggest Indy's feats shouldn't count or aren't Canon. 

Hun'Ya's people had challenged the champions of other worlds before, not just rolled in with there armada.

Clearly Dr. Jones fit into some of those criteria. 

And again even if he didn't there a good chance selection/transport takes longer than a day.

[DSkillz]

Ah, I keep forgetting that rounds last four days instead of three in this Draft. I didn't even have to be up so late to type that last post, lol.

8 hours ago, RiotGear said:

What do you think those physical/intellectual chops are? 

Because what we see on Warworld is individuals who do not share Indy's intellectual ability and who can physically be put down by human level opponents. 

I'm speaking of the individuals chosen for their intellect. On an intergalactic level, I'm not so sure Indy would fit the criteria. 

8 hours ago, RiotGear said:

Indiana Jones is not rugged and scarred? Your reaching man. Indy is the epitome of rugged adventure hero. 

I said he couldn't look as rugged as the warzoons. Note that many of them look much more haggard and scarred than Indy, and many have missing limbs and hands: 

New Details on Warworld Characters as “Action Comics #1036” is Delayed – Superman Homepage

8 hours ago, RiotGear said:

A cars controls, while inside the cab are still on the exterior of the vehicle compared to the engine/transmission. If you are going for a car aesthetic you are not gonna operate via touch screen. Also with two arms and legs there are only so many ways your going to set up controls to drive. 

There's no such evidence shown that those cars have controls that simplistic. We just have those pictures and the author's word that they're much more complex underneath. 

8 hours ago, RiotGear said:

What did the Bat Family bring, cause it looked like they largely had there regular gear. Gear they use to take down there regular enemies. Opponents that Indy can take down with wit and a whip.

The Bat Family generally carries powerful tools that can take on at least reasonably huge threats on a regular basis, (even more so than Indy does) as well as the wit to match. 

8 hours ago, RiotGear said:

Also the Bat Family had mission, places to go. Jones doesn't he can run away from and avoid conflict. 

And then he'll run into the problems of planet-wide surveillance and processing. 

8 hours ago, RiotGear said:

The touch of added variation that Batman may have seen, isn't going to make huge difference on Warworld. It's stuff like time travel. Which isn't really pertinent to post apocalyptic survival. 

And yet, you're still saying that Indy, who has even fewer tools in his disposal, is going to last as long? 

8 hours ago, RiotGear said:

Also weird way to say Indiana Jones doesn't have the same experience as Batman. 

Wording wise it's seems like you're trying to suggest Indy's feats shouldn't count or aren't Canon. 

I was saying that whether or not all of Indy's feats across various media are canon to him, Batman still has more varied experience, and against many more and more dangerous threats. 

8 hours ago, RiotGear said:

Hun'Ya's people had challenged the champions of other worlds before, not just rolled in with there armada.

If Hun'Ya can be beat in H2H by a non-powered, non-equipped human, there's clearly some doubt to this claim.

[RiotGear]

3 hours ago, DSkillz said:

Ah, I keep forgetting that rounds last four days instead of three in this Draft. I didn't even have to be up so late to type that last post, lol.

I'm speaking of the individuals chosen for their intellect. On an intergalactic level, I'm not so sure Indy would fit the criteria. 

I said he couldn't look as rugged as the warzoons. Note that many of them look much more haggard and scarred than Indy, and many have missing limbs and hands: 

New Details on Warworld Characters as “Action Comics #1036” is Delayed – Superman Homepage

There's no such evidence shown that those cars have controls that simplistic. We just have those pictures and the author's word that they're much more complex underneath. 

The Bat Family generally carries powerful tools that can take on at least reasonably huge threats on a regular basis, (even more so than Indy does) as well as the wit to match. 

And then he'll run into the problems of planet-wide surveillance and processing. 

And yet, you're still saying that Indy, who has even fewer tools in his disposal, is going to last as long? 

I was saying that whether or not all of Indy's feats across various media are canon to him, Batman still has more varied experience, and against many more and more dangerous threats. 

If Hun'Ya can be beat in H2H by a non-powered, non-equipped human, there's clearly some doubt to this claim.

I forget it wasn't ending today too. 

Warworld is making selections based on what "applicants" they have on hand, not on what might be in the galaxy. 

If they were doing it your way, there would be no warriors on Warworld below the level of Kryptonians and there clearly are. The intelligence selection is going to work the same way and Indy has more raw intelligence than most that make there way to Warworld. 

Scarred face beat up clothing. Aside from skin tone he looks like everyone in that picture. Well he has his trade market half cocked grin, but that only adds to the bad-ass factor. 

In the article the author says that some of the vehicles came from earth and that the others are different under the hood. Again he is talking out power supply etc. Steer wheels/shifter etc while inside the cab are visible from outside it. They are part of the exterior of the vehicle, when compared to what under the hood. 

What I'm saying is Jones is roughly on par with members of the Bat Family, both physically and mentally and has faced and defeated similar foes. 

The Bat Family does it through gadgets/tech Jones does it through improvisation etc, but the results are the same. 

Indiana also carries guns and is willing to use them to lethal effect, something the Bat Family doesn't generally do.

Why the weird caveat about, if we accept Jones's feats than. 

Hun'Ya is an alien champion used to conquer worlds, via single combat in DC. He lost to a "regular" human, just like a lot of the denizens of Warworld. I didn't write that's just the way it is.

[DSkillz]

7 hours ago, RiotGear said:

Warworld is making selections based on what "applicants" they have on hand, not on what might be in the galaxy. 

If they were doing it your way, there would be no warriors on Warworld below the level of Kryptonians and there clearly are. The intelligence selection is going to work the same way and Indy has more raw intelligence than most that make there way to Warworld. 

It's still certain that the average "applicant" from other planets would be stronger and/or smarter than most humans. Still not sure that Indy would make the cut.

7 hours ago, RiotGear said:

In the article the author says that some of the vehicles came from earth and that the others are different under the hood. Again he is talking out power supply etc. Steer wheels/shifter etc while inside the cab are visible from outside it. They are part of the exterior of the vehicle, when compared to what under the hood. 

Still not sure what panels you've seen, but in the one from the article none of the steering mechanisms can be seen from outside the vehicles: 

So, it may be at best, a big assumption that their steering is as primitive as Earth's.

But allow me to take this in a new direction. Let's assume for a moment that Indy could someone translate Warworld's language and communicate with its inhabitants. It's pretty likely he may run into a girl like this one: 

In this comic, Superman brings this girl from Warworld to relative safety. 

I'm assuming there was some sort of automatic translator involved since she was speaking in another tongue at first (again, something that I doubt Indy would get assess to, but I digress): 

Note that even after being rescued, she still has a mentality that she needs to stay in those chains because they represent power on Warworld. 

After seeing someone like this, Indy's occasional Chronic Hero Syndrome could take over and he may very well be tempted to try to save her and other young men and women like her, much like he tried with the child slaves in Temple of Doom: 

Unlike in the kids in Temple of Doom, Warworld's slavery, gladiatorial mentality would be much further ingrained in their prisoners, so Indy would be very unlikely to turn them around, let alone save them. Also, the security in Warworld is much more dangerous and harsh than Mola Ram and the Thuggie, so if Indy stirs the pot in Warworld, he's much less likely to escape, especially since there's no sidekick to help him out like Short Round (not that Short Round would be helpful on this planet). 

Still, given Jones' history of playing the hero for those less fortunate, he's very likely going to try, and that will very likely cost him, and well within 24 hours.

[RiotGear]

39 minutes ago, DSkillz said:

It's still certain that the average "applicant" from other planets would be stronger and/or smarter than most humans. Still not sure that Indy would make the cut.

Still not sure what panels you've seen, but in the one from the article none of the steering mechanisms can be seen from outside the vehicles: 

So, it may be at best, a big assumption that their steering is as primitive as Earth's.

But allow me to take this in a new direction. Let's assume for a moment that Indy could someone translate Warworld's language and communicate with its inhabitants. It's pretty likely he may run into a girl like this one: 

In this comic, Superman brings this girl from Warworld to relative safety. 

I'm assuming there was some sort of automatic translator involved since she was speaking in another tongue at first (again, something that I doubt Indy would get assess to, but I digress): 

Note that even after being rescued, she still has a mentality that she needs to stay in those chains because they represent power on Warworld. 

After seeing someone like this, Indy's occasional Chronic Hero Syndrome could take over and he may very well be tempted to try to save her and other young men and women like her, much like he tried with the child slaves in Temple of Doom: 

Unlike in the kids in Temple of Doom, Warworld's slavery, gladiatorial mentality would be much further ingrained in their prisoners, so Indy would be very unlikely to turn them around, let alone save them. Also, the security in Warworld is much more dangerous and harsh than Mola Ram and the Thuggie, so if Indy stirs the pot in Warworld, he's much less likely to escape, especially since there's no sidekick to help him out like Short Round (not that Short Round would be helpful on this planet). 

Still, given Jones' history of playing the hero for those less fortunate, he's very likely going to try, and that will very likely cost him, and well within 24 hours.

First off once again we know from the fact that the Bat Family has out performed some of those "applicants". That, they are not necessarily stronger or smarter than humans.

Sure the Bat Family is made up of exceptional people, but you wanna know who else is also exceptional both in terms of physical and intellectual prowess. Indiana Jones that's who. 

Secondly even if he doesn't make the cut for the military, he is still likely to make the cut for gladiatorial or domestic work. Which again would allow him to survive the 24 hours, assuming he even get through selection in less then 24 hours. 

Here 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.supermanhomepage.com/new-details-on-warworld-characters-as-action-comics-1036-is-delayed/amp/

It says they have almost nothing in common under the hood and that some of them are in fact earth cars. 

Again this strongly suggests they changed out the power plant, but kept the rest of the aesthetic. 

Jones may be a hero, but he is smart enough and has seen enough war and suffering. To know when he can help and when he can't. 

He is going to know he can't over throw a planet in a day. 

[UMPIRE]

Match Final Results

Warworld: 7
Indiana Jones: 6