12:16 - Trevor Belmont vs. Deathstroke

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SEASON 12, ROUND 16

Trevor Belmont

Slot: The Team's Scrappy Fighter
Season Wins: 2
Season Losses: 1
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Read more about Trevor Belmont at Wikipedia
Official Site: Konami

Deathstroke

Slot: The Team's Scrappy Fighter
Season Wins: 1
Season Losses: 2
Fantasy Team Page
Read more about Deathstroke at Wikipedia
Official Site: DC Comics

Battle Terrain
Battle Terrain: Tiny Island

[Twogunkid]

Trevor routinely takes on opponents who could theoretically one shot him. He has a varied arsenal and compared to Arrowverse Deathstroke is his physical superior. Trevor has this one.

[Pizzaguy2995]

It’s gotta be Deathstroke. He’s experienced fighting on deserted islands, he’s got much more battle experience, a healing factor, and oh course there’s the fact that he’ll be bringing in weapons far more advanced then anything Trevor has seen before. Belmont has never seen a gun before and won’t know how dangerous it is until after Slade fills him full of lead.

[Twogunkid]

Belmont faces down mages, vampire mages, and night creatures capable of shooting beams that turn people to stone. Belmont will be cautious and then seek to end the engagement quickly.

Considering Green Arrow can survive against Slade with weaponry comparable to Belmont's, Trevor should be able to take Slade down.

[Magnamax]

Clarifying: this is Netflix Trevor vs Arrowverse Deathstroke in this fight?

[Twogunkid]

13 minutes ago, Magnamax said:

Clarifying: this is Netflix Trevor vs Arrowverse Deathstroke in this fight?

Correct on both. Main Trevor and Main Stroke are both too high tier for this slot.

[Pizzaguy2995]

1 hour ago, Twogunkid said:

Belmont faces down mages, vampire mages, and night creatures capable of shooting beams that turn people to stone. Belmont will be cautious and then seek to end the engagement quickly.

Considering Green Arrow can survive against Slade with weaponry comparable to Belmont's, Trevor should be able to take Slade down.

Arrowverse Oliver has taken down a blood lusted Flash and Supergirl. He’s way beyond Trevor in abilities and combat feats. Also again has Trevor ever encountered a gun before? Not only will Slade have a clear range advantage it’s doubtful Trevor will even know how to dodge bullets fired from an assault weapon.

[Twogunkid]

1 hour ago, Pizzaguy2995 said:

Arrowverse Oliver has taken down a blood lusted Flash and Supergirl. He’s way beyond Trevor in abilities and combat feats. Also again has Trevor ever encountered a gun before? Not only will Slade have a clear range advantage it’s doubtful Trevor will even know how to dodge bullets fired from an assault weapon.

 

Further, guns were first used in Western Europe in the 1340s and in Eastern Europe (where most of Castlevania is set) in the 12th century courtesy of the Mongols. Castlevania is set in the 1450's. So where Trevor may not know the specifics of Slade's guns, he does certainly know what a gun is, and to avoid it, as he is very knowledgeable on many forms of combat.

TV Flash and Supergirl are nowhere near as impressive as say... Vlad Dracula Tepish and Alucard who are faster than the human eye as well.  TV Flash has been outrun by a motorcycle and he is the fastest man alive. Trevor has to react to and anticipate creatures stronger, more durable, and faster than him and strike a decisive blow. He does just that while adjusting things for magic and hax abilities.

Trevor who routinely dodges things like eye lasers.

When faced with a creature that kept not dying, what did he do? Decided to tank its attacks and just wail on it till it dropped.

He fought and beat an incarnation of Death while exhausted from just fighting his way through a sewer system full of vampires and night creatures, then a castle full of vampires and night creatures, including a mummy that could phase through walls, THEN a madman resurrecting Dracula, AND THEN fought death

Trevor can shatter bone with an offhand punch (see Mummy fight), can tank anything he is dealt (see Death fight), and will keep going.

 

EDIT: The main show is set 1475. Lisa meets Draula in the 1450s.

[Pizzaguy2995]

1 hour ago, Twogunkid said:

Further, guns were first used in Western Europe in the 1340s and in Eastern Europe (where most of Castlevania is set) in the 12th century courtesy of the Mongols. Castlevania is set in the 1450's. So where Trevor may not know the specifics of Slade's guns, he does certainly know what a gun is, and to avoid it, as he is very knowledgeable on many forms of combat.

Dude flintlock pistols and the like aren’t anywhere close to assault weapons and you know it. Furthermore since they start at 50 yards apart and can’t see each other that just benefits Slade even further. He can hide in cover and wait for the loud and careless Trevor to give himself away and then pop his little head off before he even knows he’s in danger. Also Slade also brings explosives, grenades, and trip mines as part of his arsenal as well. Would Trevor know how to look out for them?

1 hour ago, Twogunkid said:

TV Flash and Supergirl are nowhere near as impressive as say... Vlad Dracula Tepish and Alucard who are faster than the human eye as well.  TV Flash has been outrun by a motorcycle and he is the fastest man alive. Trevor has to react to and anticipate creatures stronger, more durable, and faster than him and strike a decisive blow. He does just that while adjusting things for magic and hax abilities.

Come on man now I know your tripping. 

This is CW Flash moving Big Sir from a maximum security prison all the way to China in the blink of an eye.

And here both Flash and Supergirl racing around the world multiple times in order to slow down time! And again CW Oliver took on both of them (separate occasions) when they were bloodlusted and CW Deathstroke is widely considered to be far better then Ollie. Also CW Supergirl is confirmed capable of throwing punches that could destroy the moon! Can Drac and Alucard do that?

1 hour ago, Twogunkid said:

Trevor who routinely dodges things like eye lasers.

When faced with a creature that kept not dying, what did he do? Decided to tank its attacks and just wail on it till it dropped.

He fought and beat an incarnation of Death while exhausted from just fighting his way through a sewer system full of vampires and night creatures, then a castle full of vampires and night creatures, including a mummy that could phase through walls, THEN a madman resurrecting Dracula, AND THEN fought death

Trevor can shatter bone with an offhand punch (see Mummy fight), can tank anything he is dealt (see Death fight), and will keep going.

Again Slade is an assault bullet dodger, his healing factor can heal from an arrow to the eye and multiple steel beams collapsing on top of him and scales to Oliver who can tango with bloodlusted Kara and Barry.

For base strength we know Slade can also snap assault weapons in half, punch through a human rib cage and a steel panel. He can take down Trevor.

[Twogunkid]

9 minutes ago, Pizzaguy2995 said:

Dude flintlock pistols and the like aren’t anywhere close to assault weapons and you know it. Furthermore since they start at 50 yards apart and can’t see each other that just benefits Slade even further. He can hide in cover and wait for the loud and careless Trevor to give himself away and then pop his little head off before he even knows he’s in danger. Also Slade also brings explosives, grenades, and trip mines as part of his arsenal as well. Would Trevor know how to look out for them?

Come on man now I know your tripping. 

This is CW Flash moving Big Sir from a maximum security prison all the way to China in the blink of an eye.

And here both Flash and Supergirl racing around the world multiple times in order to slow down time! And again CW Oliver took on both of them (separate occasions) when they were bloodlusted and CW Deathstroke is widely considered to be far better then Ollie. Also CW Supergirl is confirmed capable of throwing punches that could destroy the moon! Can Drac and Alucard do that?

Again Slade is an assault bullet dodger, his healing factor can heal from an arrow to the eye and multiple steel beams collapsing on top of him and scales to Oliver who can tango with bloodlusted Kara and Barry.

For base strength we know Slade can also snap assault weapons in half, punch through a human rib cage and a steel panel. He can take down Trevor.

The Flash and Supergirl are wildly inconsistent with the strength and speed of their characters. They put Flash's top speed in the Oliver vs Barry fight at 600 mph. That is wildly inconsistent with what they show elsewhere including Barry losing motorcylces in a chase and the prison feat. A mindcontrolled Barry is far more appropriate to scale to the low end. Barry stands still for explosions that were fired behind him in said Flash fight. Then Barry stood perfectly still for a horse tranq arrow. Your bloodlusted Barry is clearly playing with Ollie. As he encircles him several times before throwing a single punch.

The supergirl feat, it is clear Barry and Wally are doing the lifting on the heavy hitters and no one has a prayer against Supergirl

Further they would be great feats for Ollie, not for Slade even if it were a full take down.

Per your own feat video, Slade is roid raging from his enhancements. I do also take your video with a grain of salt as its boar feat says Slade isn't even winded when he clearly is breathing hard. Slade is not going through stealth with those enhancement. Trevor can shatter bone casually without going into a roid rage.

Trevor can go unarmed vs a werewolf capable of casually shattering old growth oak trees

and break it's leg and neck.

Not enough? How bout swinging to put Spidey to shame and an offhand skull shatter?

Trevor also can react to Alucard's super speed blitzes

 

Now per here

Slade's kit doesn't mention several of those things you mentioned. Notably the explosives. Further, Trevor Belmont is highly situationally aware and is not going to be ambushed. He has spotted archer snipers on roofs, demons popping into existence, creatures hiding in the walls, and creatures waiting in ambush. Trevor is not going to get taken out in one quick go. He then proceeded to tag said targets with a spear throw in the middle of a brawl, dodge their attacks and defeat them with his whip, trick the creature into popping into existence so he could shatter its skull with a single punch, and take them out with a combination of his whip and sword.

[Pizzaguy2995]

On 1/4/2022 at 8:27 PM, Twogunkid said:

The Flash and Supergirl are wildly inconsistent with the strength and speed of their characters. They put Flash's top speed in the Oliver vs Barry fight at 600 mph. That is wildly inconsistent with what they show elsewhere including Barry losing motorcylces in a chase and the prison feat. A mindcontrolled Barry is far more appropriate to scale to the low end. Barry stands still for explosions that were fired behind him in said Flash fight. Then Barry stood perfectly still for a horse tranq arrow. Your bloodlusted Barry is clearly playing with Ollie. As he encircles him several times before throwing a single punch.

Yeah and Trevor fluctuates between being a badass vampire hunter and a intoxicated  bum who loses fights to a handful of bar pub mooks. Look TWK we can either go back and forth between comparing our guys lowest moments or we can agree that their best moments far outshine their worst and focus on what their best feats are. And in my case CW Flash at his best is a Relativistic speedster who can run from Central City to China in seconds and run around the world multiple times when he pushes himself. Thus Ollie being able to trap and restrain Flash by himself should also be a huge feat for Deathstroke considering he taught Oliver everything he knew and has consistently proven himself to be at least his equal if not his superior:

Ollie and Slade have fought each other four times throughout the series, 2 of which (the fight at Arrow Cave and on the sinking ship) were clear Slade wins, the one in the forest Slade had clearly incapacitated Ollie and had him at his mercy until Thea blindsided and pulled a gun on him and 4th one was really the only time Ollie finally got a fair win over Slade. So I think it’s fair to say that Slade scales to Ollie and that Ollie’s feats against meta humans like Flash and Supergirl could be replicated by Slade.

On 1/4/2022 at 8:27 PM, Twogunkid said:

Per your own feat video, Slade is roid raging from his enhancements. I do also take your video with a grain of salt as its boar feat says Slade isn't even winded when he clearly is breathing hard. Slade is not going through stealth with those enhancement. Trevor can shatter bone casually without going into a roid rage.

Trevor can go unarmed vs a werewolf capable of casually shattering old growth oak trees

and break it's leg and neck.

 

Yeah and Deathstroke can snap an assault weapon completely in two and can punch through a human’s chest cage. So I’d say his strength matches easily against Trevor’s. And if we also count Slade’s mirakuru soldiers feats then Slade can also punch through a steel wall, a much greater show of strength then any of Trevor’s feats. Roid rage or not the facts seem to suggest Slade is just as strong if not stronger then Trevor Belmont.

 

On 1/4/2022 at 8:27 PM, Twogunkid said:

Trevor also can react to Alucard's super speed blitzes

 

Now per here

Well again Deathstroke scales to Arrow who has reacted to far greater speed feats then Alucard. Also c’mon now TGK how can you try to play down Arrow’s fight with Flash when Alucard was also clearly playing with Trevor. I think we both know that if Alucard went all out Belmont would be dead. But for for the sake of fairness let’s just agree to accept both feats as if they were fair game: Trevor reacting to Alucard’s speed is impressive, but Deathstroke scaling to Arrow who reacts to Flash speed is far more so.

On 1/4/2022 at 8:27 PM, Twogunkid said:

Now per here

Slade's kit doesn't mention several of those things you mentioned. Notably the explosives. Further, Trevor Belmont is highly situationally aware and is not going to be ambushed. He has spotted archer snipers on roofs, demons popping into existence, creatures hiding in the walls, and creatures waiting in ambush. Trevor is not going to get taken out in one quick go. He then proceeded to tag said targets with a spear throw in the middle of a brawl, dodge their attacks and defeat them with his whip, trick the creature into popping into existence so he could shatter its skull with a single punch, and take them out with a combination of his whip and sword.

Fair point, but Slade will still have access to his Sniper Rifle and AL-47 yes? Then my argument that Slade can ambush and take Trevor out from afar still holds water. Ollie is also highly situationally aware and has spotted ambushes, traps, even supernatural being attacks in several Arrowverse crossovers and yet Slade has had no trouble sneaking up on him on him and Thea during the fight on Lian Yu or surprising him at his own Arrow Cave. If he can get the drop on Oliver he can get the drop on Trevor. Furthermore the terrain only improves Slade’s odds of getting the drop on Trevor since Slade is a master of Island combat thanks to his years on Lian Yu and as far as I know Trevor has never been on an island before. Slade’s stealth will be further magnified, while Trevor’s brashness and inability to shut up for surely make himself an easy target. It’s perfectly reasonable to say that Slade could surprise and take out Trevor before he can react and even if Belmont spots him first Slade’s superior skill, physical stats, advanced weapons and terrain familiarity will make him the favorite to win.

[Twogunkid]

2 hours ago, Pizzaguy2995 said:

Yeah and Trevor fluctuates between being a badass vampire hunter and a intoxicated  bum who loses fights to a handful of bar pub mooks. Look TWK we can either go back and forth between comparing our guys lowest moments or we can agree that their best moments far outshine their worst and focus on what their best feats are. And in my case CW Flash at his best is a Relativistic speedster who can run from Central City to China in seconds and run around the world multiple times when he pushes himself. Thus Ollie being able to trap and restrain Flash by himself should also be a huge feat for Deathstroke considering he taught Oliver everything he knew and has consistently proven himself to be at least his equal if not his superior:

Ollie and Slade have fought each other four times throughout the series, 2 of which (the fight at Arrow Cave and on the sinking ship) were clear Slade wins, the one in the forest Slade had clearly incapacitated Ollie and had him at his mercy until Thea blindsided and pulled a gun on him and 4th one was really the only time Ollie finally got a fair win over Slade. So I think it’s fair to say that Slade scales to Ollie and that Ollie’s feats against meta humans like Flash and Supergirl could be replicated by Slade.

Yeah and Deathstroke can snap an assault weapon completely in two and can punch through a human’s chest cage. So I’d say his strength matches easily against Trevor’s. And if we also count Slade’s mirakuru soldiers feats then Slade can also punch through a steel wall, a much greater show of strength then any of Trevor’s feats. Roid rage or not the facts seem to suggest Slade is just as strong if not stronger then Trevor Belmont.

 

Well again Deathstroke scales to Arrow who has reacted to far greater speed feats then Alucard. Also c’mon now TGK how can you try to play down Arrow’s fight with Flash when Alucard was also clearly playing with Trevor. I think we both know that if Alucard went all out Belmont would be dead. But for for the sake of fairness let’s just agree to accept both feats as if they were fair game: Trevor reacting to Alucard’s speed is impressive, but Deathstroke scaling to Arrow who reacts to Flash speed is far more so.

Fair point, but Slade will still have access to his Sniper Rifle and AL-47 yes? Then my argument that Slade can ambush and take Trevor out from afar still holds water. Ollie is also highly situationally aware and has spotted ambushes, traps, even supernatural being attacks in several Arrowverse crossovers and yet Slade has had no trouble sneaking up on him on him and Thea during the fight on Lian Yu or surprising him at his own Arrow Cave. If he can get the drop on Oliver he can get the drop on Trevor. Furthermore the terrain only improves Slade’s odds of getting the drop on Trevor since Slade is a master of Island combat thanks to his years on Lian Yu and as far as I know Trevor has never been on an island before. Slade’s stealth will be further magnified, while Trevor’s brashness and inability to shut up for surely make himself an easy target. It’s perfectly reasonable to say that Slade could surprise and take out Trevor before he can react and even if Belmont spots him first Slade’s superior skill, physical stats, advanced weapons and terrain familiarity will make him the favorite to win.

To say Trevor fluctuates when you post his first fight in the series when he is a drunken wretch. Let's look at his last fight in the series where he beats Death. There's a durability feat for you. Trevor is insanely durable, he keeps getting up no matter how severely he is hurt and he shrugs up werewolf bites, foot long spikes, and bladed weapons. Hell, the drunken wretch Trevor survives falling several floors and being half buried by stone floors and is only mildly inconvenienced by it. The sober badass Trevor is jumping around while still wounded fighting an incarnation of Death. This guy.

And again Ollie is not a 1 to 1 scaling to Deathstroke. If you wanted Green Arrow, you would have picked him. This would be like me using Sypha's feats to pump Trevor up because Sypha was rescued by Trevor. They may inform a few things, but at the end of the day, they are not the character's feats. Deathstroke's best speed feat that he manifests is blocking arrows with a sword, which Trevor has done as well, but Trevor has also fought with Dragan, Alucard, and other superhuman beings. And while he cannot match Alucard's speed, he can react to him which is impressive considering Alucard's flash step is faster than the eye can see giving him an amazing reaction time which is consistent with his feats with weapon handling, whip swinging, and his insane aerial combinations.

Trevor is able to go hand to hand with vampires like Ratko who can smash stone on impact, notably he is injured and tired at the time of this feat after fighting through swarms of other night creatures. Here's Trevor cracking a stone creature's arm rather casually. Drugged up Slade may have the edge in raw strength, but it is not so severe that Trevor cannot respond to it.

Looking at Slade's Rifle feat it looks like he is snapping an AK-47

Here's a handy diagram of the gun

and here it is disassembled

It's not some pure steel snapping feat here. The barrel is designed to be replaceable and connects to the gasblock right where the supposed snapping occurs. What seems more likely is that he breaks the barrel off improperly. Certainly damaging the weapon and rendering it unfireable (or not, this is an AK), but not the same as if he had the barrel and just ripped it in two.

I could not find a good gif or video of his steel door feat although I didn't see it on his Reddit Respect thread. I found one him slamming Ollie into a concrete wall causing some of it to crack.

A 50 yard island of sand and rock is not going to leave a lot of room for either party to be stealthy but considering Trevor can react to magical fireballs, superhuman vampire speed blitzes, eye lasers, creatures literally popping out of the wall, massive aerial movement including multiple objects and being coordinated to grab them out of the air and throw them using his whip, his reaction speed should be enough to avoid dying to a sniper.

Once this gets to medium range is where Trevor shines, in addition to his arsenal of throwing knives, the Morning Star, Vampire Killer, and Combat Cross, Trevor loves using an enemy's weapons against them, so he is going to get some fun toys once he closes the gap and then he takes it through superior reaction speed, durability, and greater skill in actual fighting.

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Match Final Results

Trevor Belmont: 2
Deathstroke: 6