13:13 - Mordin Solus vs. Thirteenth Doctor

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SEASON 13, ROUND 13

Mordin Solus

Slot: The Team's Scientist
Season Wins: 2
Season Losses: 0
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Thirteenth Doctor

Slot: The Team's Scientist
Season Wins: 2
Season Losses: 1
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Battle Terrain
Team Scientist Challenge: Invention Swap

[Peypeypeypey]

At first I thought my boy was screwed here, but there are two important things to remember as to why I think Mordin should win:

1. The Doctor herself did not invent most of the crazy advanced tech they use. The TARDIS was stolen and it produces the Sonic Screwdrivers. On top of that, Mordin is an incredibly brilliant scientist who can quickly and easily understand advanced alien tech and produce countermeasures to it as seen with the Collectors 

2. If we take the Genophage as Mordin's most advanced tech, the Doctor would be 100% morally against creating it. The Doctor has many times shown that they are unwilling to go to such extreme measures even if it's to save the universe. They offered to save the Master and Davros even after they almost wiped out humanity and reality, respectively. I know I say that we should assume the candidates are motivated to win, and I still think that, but the Ninth Doctor was willing to keep humanity get destroyed by the Daleks rather than personally having to kill all the Daleks and the humans. There really isn't a motivator that would make the Doctor agree to build the Genophage. Could she? I don't remember her ever working on a virus specifically, but it's fair to speculate and say yes. Would she? Absolutely not

[Movie-Brat]

However, the 13th Doctor invented her own Sonic Screwdriver.

And she made her own inventions anyway. 

[Peypeypeypey]

2 hours ago, Movie-Brat said:

However, the 13th Doctor invented her own Sonic Screwdriver.

And she made her own inventions anyway. 

Admittedly, I don't know much about the Thirteenth Doctor, so the sonic thing is my bad. Looks like she did design it.

However, my larger point stands. No version of the Doctor would be willing to replicate the Genophage, which is undoubtedly Mordin's greatest accomplishment, and so Mordin should win just because the Doctor isn't willing to even think about what he did as a viable invention

[Twogunkid]

Given the blue prints, I do think Mordin would be able to pull it together on the sonic screwdriver. I do think the Genophage morality argument has some sway, but has the Doctor put forward any inventions to screw with other's time machines like Missy and River's vortex manipulators? I'm holding my vote for now.

[Movie-Brat]

24 minutes ago, Twogunkid said:

Given the blue prints, I do think Mordin would be able to pull it together on the sonic screwdriver. I do think the Genophage morality argument has some sway, but has the Doctor put forward any inventions to screw with other's time machines like Missy and River's vortex manipulators? I'm holding my vote for now.

She definitely did send The Master elsewhere with (until The Timeless Children) no way out after implanting a virus in his TARDIS and managed to do a bit of time traveling in Spyfall Part Two that saved her companions. Which she created materials that end saving her companions to the point of creating an instruction video for the plane in the past that ended up saving them in the episode. 

[Twogunkid]

1 hour ago, Peypeypeypey said:

Admittedly, I don't know much about the Thirteenth Doctor, so the sonic thing is my bad. Looks like she did design it.

However, my larger point stands. No version of the Doctor would be willing to replicate the Genophage, which is undoubtedly Mordin's greatest accomplishment, and so Mordin should win just because the Doctor isn't willing to even think about what he did as a viable invention

I do think the War Doctor would. Hell, I think 9 encountering a chance to do it to the Daleks might.

[Peypeypeypey]

1 minute ago, Twogunkid said:

I do think the War Doctor would. Hell, I think 9 encountering a chance to do it to the Daleks might.

In the season finale, 9 has a chance to wipe out the Daleks at the cost of most of humanity and he doesn't take it. He knows humanity would survive and the Daleks would die and he doesn't do it anyway. It leads to the famous "Are you a coward or are you a killer?" line. The War doctor would possibly make that choice, although it's worth mentioning that the War Doctor actually doesn't wipe out the Time Lords and the Daleks. The 50th anniversary special reveals that all the Doctor's incarnation's saved Gallifrey. However, the War Doctor definitely seemed willing to, I'll give you that. Not 13 though

[C.T.]

Gonna be honest, don't think we should be counting the genophage as Mordin's greatest invention, because it's less an invention and more a biological agent imo but more importantly, his sizable team of other scientists and specialists were there helping him with that, so wouldn't call it solely his invention.

[Movie-Brat]

2 hours ago, C.T. said:

Gonna be honest, don't think we should be counting the genophage as Mordin's greatest invention, because it's less an invention and more a biological agent imo but more importantly, his sizable team of other scientists and specialists were there helping him with that, so wouldn't call it solely his invention.

It's not even his invention? 

[Peypeypeypey]

2 hours ago, C.T. said:

Gonna be honest, don't think we should be counting the genophage as Mordin's greatest invention, because it's less an invention and more a biological agent imo but more importantly, his sizable team of other scientists and specialists were there helping him with that, so wouldn't call it solely his invention.

It's not solely his, but he played an integral role in creating it. That's just how science usually works. Most inventions aren't done by one person, but by a team of people. Mordin was the most intelligent member of the crew and the one who was able to craft a way to reverse it. I think it's fair to say it counts for this category because his specialty is genetics. A biological agent is definitely a type of invention I would say

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Match Final Results

Mordin Solus: 5
Thirteenth Doctor: 4